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smarauder68

Early Odds for 2012 Tour De France

I was kinda surprised to see Wiggins tipped as the favorite. Seriously? Have I missed that much since I've been gone?

Rider.............Decimal Odds
Wiggins................2.50
Evans..................3.25
A.Schleck.............6.00
Menchov.............17.00
Nibali..................17.00
S.Sanchez...........23.00
Froome...............23.00
Gesink................26.00
JVB....................31.00
Roland................31.00
Martin.................36.00
Valverde.............41.00
Haesdahl.............46.00
Voeckler..............51.00
Horner..............101.00
Levi..................101.00
TeJayVG...........121.00
Cobo................121.00
CVV.................131.00
T.Danielson.......201.00
Scarponi...........251.00
Cunego............251.00

Can someone tell me why Froome isn't favored more? Didn't he out-perform Wiggins last fall in the Vuelta?

My actuall punts:  

Bartali

Hey Scott ...

I guess Froome's Vuelta result is considered an anomaly ... and the guy's been ill a lot this season.  

Wiggins is favourite because of the 100+ km of ITT and the fact that he is difficult to drop in the hills by all but the pure climbers (who will loose a stack in the ITT).  There's a bit of value in Nibs ... but you might want to look at some of the outsiders for an each way bet.  Levi perhaps?
Biosphere

For an outside bet, Hesjedal is taking about the double  Shocked

Does the Tour starting a week earlier give him more of a chance of holding form?
gerry12ie

Well I see generally Wiggins and Evans are co-favs at 9/4 - 5/2 ish but don't represent any real value.  I have backed Nibali at 33/1 but I am not sure the team will pull 100% for him and I have had a couple of silly bets (Porte at 200/1 and Kreuziger at 80/1) but I took Tony Martin at 50/1 which might be interesting.  In fact Quick Step have a strong enough hand with him and Leipheimer and with Martin freed of his HTC chores he might have a bit more life in him.  I do think there is long shot value its just a case of finding it!  Remember the last two grand tour winners are Hesjedal and Cobo but a decent TT is a must for this TDF...
MS

Can someone provide a rational explanation for Precious Schleck's odds versus someone like Nibali's? It baffles me.
Biosphere

MS wrote:
Can someone provide a rational explanation for Precious Schleck's odds versus someone like Nibali's? It baffles me.


Aren't the bookies just covering themselves for the amount of money that is being placed on Schleck vs Nibali? They're probably being rational in respect to what the punters are doing hence the odds.

Are the betting public being rational in backing Schleck? A different question. You think no I guess, but on paper he's the best climber at the Tour so it's not all about 100km of ITTing. A podium (which is what the odds suggest) is not an irrational possibility?
maffy

welcome back sm. you can get 400/1 or 500/1 on cunego if you shop around Wink
smarauder68

What about Sanchez's chances? Or is he targeting London?

What's the story with Froome and Wiggins? Are on equal footing with Sky or will Froome be asked to support only?
Boogerd_Fan

I'd say thats good odd's for Sanchez - if he doesn't have a bad day in the mountains, he'll be up there with at least a podium spot - similar to Wiggo or Evans.

Although there will be a huge question mark over his condition after that crash in the Dauphine.

Also interesting on that list is GEsink - decent odds, considering i think he'll finally be in the form of his life, and not in crash mode this July. Also, sadly, thats great odds for Levi. With 100km against the clock, can't really count him out, unless Schleck, Sanchez or so are proactive in the mountains.
smarauder68

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
I'd say thats good odd's for Sanchez - if he doesn't have a bad day in the mountains, he'll be up there with at least a podium spot - similar to Wiggo or Evans.

Although there will be a huge question mark over his condition after that crash in the Dauphine.

Also interesting on that list is GEsink - decent odds, considering i think he'll finally be in the form of his life, and not in crash mode this July. Also, sadly, thats great odds for Levi. With 100km against the clock, can't really count him out, unless Schleck, Sanchez or so are proactive in the mountains.


I saw Gesink win a gutsy stage in the Tour of California but there really wasn't any TDF contenders in that race.  Can he really hang with the big boys over 21 days? I have my doubts on him, but could be value for a podium finish if others crash out.

Right now, I'm leaning towards Evans repeating.
Boogerd_Fan

Sure, Evans & Wiggo look the favourite - equally measured by their very short odds. I thought you were a gambling man SM?!
Nolte

well Gesink is maturing as a rider.
for Wiggins, the race is not too dificult with all the climbing.
maffy

sm's turned up in salt lake city... maybe he's not allowed anymore Smile

what you're asking about froome and wiggins is the similar to the leipheimer/velitsp/martint question and the gesink/mollema/kruiswijk question. who's going to be the planb?

in sky's case, it's froome. wiggins is most definitely a .in the opqs case, it depends on injury recovery. if you follow the popular internet meme, in rabo's case it depends on who'll stay upright longest. and they'll lead him out even when he's fallen off.

take into account the long tt distance and do the same for say, movistar, rui costa's at 1000/1 and he's the one that's itt'd ok so far this year. valv.piti and cobo will still schlecka him in the hierarchy. try it for europcar and vacansoleil too...

until the long itt tomorrow and suisse, nobody knows. there's folks out there that have menchov at 80 or 66. de gendt was 500 at the giro. hesjedal was 50 or so. shame (repeated-again) about the samu crash. normally dauphine one shows us climbing and one shows us timetrialling. they may have agreed to switch now.

can still see cvdv and ll at 125 here which you may find patriotic. can still see coppel at 50 for the dolphinwin, but not eachway anymore.
Bartali

Nolte wrote:
well Gesink is maturing as a rider.


So am I Nolte  Wink
Bartali

Nolte wrote:
well Gesink is maturing as a rider.


So am I Nolte  Wink
berck

How come I get the feeling that SM only check in with us to get tips on betting the Tour???? Wink
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:

Are the betting public being rational in backing Schleck? A different question. You think no I guess, but on paper he's the best climber at the Tour so it's not all about 100km of ITTing. A podium (which is what the odds suggest) is not an irrational possibility?


Not sure he's the best climber at the Tour .... not seen anything to make me believe that so far this season.

I wonder what odds I'd get on Rolland kicking Schlecks arse?
maffy

berck wrote:
How come I get the feeling that SM only check in with us to get tips on betting the Tour???? Wink

is it because you know he doesn't respect our "soccer" knowledge? Very Happy
smarauder68

maffy wrote:
berck wrote:
How come I get the feeling that SM only check in with us to get tips on betting the Tour???? Wink

is it because you know he doesn't respect our "soccer" knowledge? Very Happy


After watching the 5-1 pummelling Scotland took at the hands of the Yanks, how could any brit think they know anything about "soccer"?

I've been going thru a transitional stage in my life....Like a long and not so boring stage from Toulouse to Bourdeaux with a heavy cross wind...I've made the move from South Beach to Salt Lake City...I don't miss the humidity a bit. I bought a new bike (Trek 750, urban hybrid) and am starting my comeback on the same Wasatch trails that will be used during this August's Tour of Utah.  

Bart, you'd love it here....nothing but 10% to 15% in every direction.
Bartali

Sounds lovely Scott!  Not an area I've ever visited.

I hope you are going to hang around over summer - we need jibes like the one about the 5-1 thrashing the scots took to liven things up! Smile
Biosphere

The Scots will be too happy about beating Australia in the rugby to worry about basketball scores in the other game.

Well I did say 'on paper' about Schleck as the cover my arse get out clause.
smarauder68

I wonder if Andy S will have lost a tiny bit of motivation by having donned the yellow jersey in that pitiful ceremony last week?

I haven't examined each and every stage of the tour yet, but I have heard the critics here complaining about the 100km of ITT's.  Evans is better than Wiggins in the mountains and more or less his equal in the Time Trials.  Leipheimer is too old to seriously contest. If this were 3 or 4 years ago, maybe.  

Menchov could do well but he's also battling father time.

My early top 5 would look something like this:

1)Evans
2)Froome(I think Wiggins will have a bad day in the mountains and Froome will be stronger and allowed to keep pace with the leaders.
3)Menchov
4)Wiggins
5)Haesjadahl
HuwB

There's some really cagey riding at the Dauphine, this week. Some of the Tour hotties seem to be strong and making an effort, while others appear to be on a glorified training ride.
Consequently, it's hard to see where they are at, in terms of conditioning.
I suspect we will see a little more of Andy S, come the Joux Plane on Saturday.
Menchov has had problems all season, but is starting to look a little more like his old self.
A bad crash on stage 1 has really messed up Sanchez's preparation. He was leaving it late, as it was.

Scott: The course is really light on climbing and particularly MTFs,



Some of these "mountain stages" are very, very weak.
Annonay, is frankly a joke inclusion.
Consequently, the race favours the strongest trialists, who can climb.
However, it also means that riders like Schleck should have to attack on multiple occasions and from distance.

Nibali (and Sanchez) have been handed a number of downhill finishes, too.
smarauder68

Any time bonuses this year?
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
The course is really light on climbing ...
You wouldn't be saying that if you were signed up to ride l'etape act 2 in just over a month!!   Very Happy
Slapshot 3

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
The course is really light on climbing ...
You wouldn't be saying that if you were signed up to ride l'etape act 2 in just over a month!!   Very Happy


Which stage is it this year?? La Toussuire?? its just a shortie
Boogerd_Fan

11 & 16 look to be the most impacting - both stages feature 4 passes. Depending on which team is controlling it at that point, it should be fireworks from Radioshack b4 the final col if they're to have any chance of podium spot this year.

They also will be the hardest for a rider like Wiggo - who doesn't mind an MTF where he can chrono up - but when there comes multiple cols in succession he cannot sustain the watts.

I agree with Indurain's babble on CN... this is going to be very close/interesting at least until we see which riders have what it takes... of course, it might all fade out into a dull meander around France like the Giro turned into once it was clear the climbers were not going to drop Hesjedal.

But they surely need to use that as an example - they have to test Wiggo and the other TT specialists, early and hard.
kathy

smarauder68 wrote:
 Evans is better than Wiggins in the mountains and more or less his equal in the Time Trials.


You obviously posted this before you saw today's stage of the Dauphinè, Scott Very Happy   I don't agree with either premise though.

FWIW, I think Froome might be a good each-way bet - if I was a betting woman, which I'm not!!
smarauder68

kathy wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:
 Evans is better than Wiggins in the mountains and more or less his equal in the Time Trials.


You obviously posted this before you saw today's stage of the Dauphinè, Scott Very Happy   I don't agree with either premise though.

FWIW, I think Froome might be a good each-way bet - if I was a betting woman, which I'm not!!


Don't you think Evans is just trying to peak a month later?  I'll bet a lot of folks on this site will take notice when Evans suddenly performs on par with Wiggins a month from now.

Froome got shafted at the Vuelta and if he has any kind of competitive heart, you'd think he'd wanna be given the chance to compete.  I'm not convinced Wiggins won't crack a little on the MTF's.  They're making him ou to be the biggest favorite since Armstrong. I don't buy it.
Bartali

Slapshot 3 wrote:
Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
The course is really light on climbing ...
You wouldn't be saying that if you were signed up to ride l'etape act 2 in just over a month!!   Very Happy


Which stage is it this year?? La Toussuire?? its just a shortie


16 .... pretty much 200km and a lot of climbing!!
HuwB

smarauder68 wrote:
kathy wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:
 Evans is better than Wiggins in the mountains and more or less his equal in the Time Trials.


You obviously posted this before you saw today's stage of the Dauphinè, Scott Very Happy   I don't agree with either premise though.

FWIW, I think Froome might be a good each-way bet - if I was a betting woman, which I'm not!!


Don't you think Evans is just trying to peak a month later?  I'll bet a lot of folks on this site will take notice when Evans suddenly performs on par with Wiggins a month from now.

Froome got shafted at the Vuelta and if he has any kind of competitive heart, you'd think he'd wanna be given the chance to compete.  I'm not convinced Wiggins won't crack a little on the MTF's.  They're making him ou to be the biggest favorite since Armstrong. I don't buy it.


Seems to be the assumption that a lot of folks (mainly Cadel fans) are making.
Namely that Evans is working towards a July peak, while Wiggins is currently at his peak.
I'd say that's a false assumption, given the folks in charge know a thing or two about peaking, with the Olympics and whatnot.

Incidentally, Cadel has said, next season will be his last.

Froome? I agree that he's worth serious consideration. Trialing and climbing make him a decent bet.
MAILLOT JAUNE

Cyclingnews reported that Wiggins is using a new training programme with a swimming coach - seems that you are constantly at your peak in every race and not using specific races to train for peaking at a particular race.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-lauds-new-training-philosophy
smarauder68

Anybody think Haesjadal has a shot at the double?  Given the easier mountain stages and his ability to ride against the clock, I'd say he warrants consideration for a podium finish. 46-1 seems like value to me.
ullrichfan

smarauder68 wrote:
After watching the 5-1 pummelling Scotland took at the hands of the Yanks, how could any brit think they know anything about "soccer"?


Wrong thread, SM.  This should go in the one marked "Cheap Shots"  Evil or Very Mad
Slapshot 3

Bartali wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
The course is really light on climbing ...
You wouldn't be saying that if you were signed up to ride l'etape act 2 in just over a month!!   Very Happy


Which stage is it this year?? La Toussuire?? its just a shortie


16 .... pretty much 200km and a lot of climbing!!


Thought it was La Toussuire, yeah stage 16 is a fair bit of climbing, steep finish as well!!
Boogerd_Fan

smarauder68 wrote:
Anybody think Haesjadal has a shot at the double?  Given the easier mountain stages and his ability to ride against the clock, I'd say he warrants consideration for a podium finish. 46-1 seems like value to me.



i'll bite - there is a big question mark over his head, because no rider has kept form for both 3 week races since Pantani. Although there is 1 less week between the races this year. As per the CN report, he'll go straight to the TOur without another race - so whether he keeps that form is questionable.

Two factors might help his quest for a double though - he's in the form of his life, and at the Giro - lets be honest, he wasn't so tested by the ageing climbers... the Tour parcours is equally toned down... so the chances of him getting over the mountains and using the 100km of TT to his advantage is high.

However, the Tour will have more protagonists - so we should see more fireworks....  and therefore, less chance that 'all' TT specialists will get a shot at podium. The real winners are Cadel & Wiggo for that reason - in that they will most likely be able to climb with the front group, or at worst the second group on the road. Other TT'ers like Martin or Hesjedal are more likely to have 1 really shocking day in the mountains.
Beasley

Vande Velde's a good each-way shout. Rode well in support of Haesjadal in the Giro. He'll be Garmin's man, I reckon.
Slapshot 3

Too many contenders for the Tour but in the end I reckon it'll come down to Cuddles and Wiggo and if he can hold the form then it's Wiggo.

Abandony Schleck has ridden himself out of contention, he's lost what little backbone he had over the last week. So he fell off and had a puncture, big deal he should still have had the balls to go for the rest of the time. If I was Uckle Yohhann, Jakob Fuglsang would be my option
mazda

Agreed.
He was blown off by a gust of wind !
Beasley

His record on TdF GCs doesn't lie, no matter how much his detractor wish it did. He's a proven GT rider.

Write Andy Schleck off at your peril.
Bartali

Well I'll write off Andy Schleck.  His form is bad and his head is seemingly in the wrong place.  True - he's a prven GT rider, but all his time gains have been earned one way - in the hills.  That's not a criticism at all, but this parcours doesn't suit him.  With only three stages to make any time gains it's difficult to see where he will make an impact.  He sprang surprises last year - the long attack was brave and impressive.  But he's played that card and BMC, Sky and others will be alert to it.

His only hope is that he has learnt to ITT under JB ... but he's hidden it all year.

I agree re VandeVelde though.  I think he well be very much in the mix.

SS - stage 11 is etape Act 1.  Stage 16 is Act 2.  Two etapes these days ...
Fontfroide

smarauder68 wrote:


My early top 5 would look something like this:

1)Evans
2)Froome(I think Wiggins will have a bad day in the mountains and Froome will be stronger and allowed to keep pace with the leaders.
3)Menchov
4)Wiggins
5)Haesjadahl


You think Ryder will ride the Tour as well as the Giro?  I thought Garmin would not send him.  Anyone know for sure?
Fontfroide

As for Andy Schleck, I have seriously mixed feelings.  First of all, I don't like him much.  Secondly, I can't even fathom how a professional rider can look so bad in every race he enters.  Its like he didn't train or didn't eat or can't ride his bike or the brake is rubbing.  I cannot remember a rider who should be a good shape faking it, hiding his form so well for the entire season.  He seems complete rubbish.  Maybe he is.  But why?

On the other hand, he must know how to do well in the Tour, having done so for four years on the trot.  His brother or someone must be able to give him advice, they must have data to look at.  He just cannot be that bad.  So much as I would like to forget him, it just seems impossible he could be so bad, without an obviously injury as an excuse, or some disease.

This is all aside from there being lots of ITT and him being known to be bad, unless he is hiding that too.
gerry12ie

Bradley is now ridiculously short at 13/8 but certainly deserves to be favourite.  My little donkey has drifted to 15/2 but as Beasley says has form and pedigree.  However, like Bartali, I'm happy to write him off, he looks totally disinterested (the 'stomach full of anger' looks seems laughable now) and the team is a shambles.  

Difficult to see how an upright Wiggins and a focused Sky can be stopped really.  There is nothing significantly lumpy prior to the stage 9 40k TT (maybe Evans or Nibali could carve out a few seconds on the punchier stuff prior to the test) which should put Wiggins or Martin at the top of the pile.  After that there is the mountain stages but will it be possible to take enough time out of the Belgian super mod to make him really work at the 50k TT at the end?  I just can't see it.
Boogerd_Fan

@Gerry - only if Wiggo blows up big time on one of the mountain days... that 'could' still happen quite realistically, considering how he'll be arriving at the race in top form and not aiming to peak in third week.

@FF/Bart - obviously the parcours doesnt suit him - and it could be a demotivating factor that this year just isn't his route.... his style of preparation hasn't changed for those 4 years - and he continues to be mediocre leading up to the Tour - i expected Bruyneel to make the Schleck's more professional. I was thinking about the preparation side of things... however I was laughing reading some posts on Guardian website indicating that the current furore is based on the Schleck's not responding well to Johann's alternative preparation solutions - i.e. the juice.

I think Schleck will be there or thereabouts, but there is no way he can win this race. There are too many better TT specialists and he can't make them all crack! If WIggo or Evans blows, there's a Menchov or a Nibali waiting in the wings.

He'd need to take minutes out of them all on the 3 MTFs - and we know the Schleck's idea of attacking = a punchy go a few KM from the finish line - won't be enough.

If Samu recovers, he'd be my pick of the "climbers" to challenge the TTers. Can't discount JVDB either - he was superb leading into the TOur last year, and as a former TT champion, if he found his legs he'll be top 5. He lost time in previous years when Bertie did his attacking - there will be less "active' mountain days this year, so i think they'll find it hard to drop JVDB.

I'd be quite happy to pick Mollema or Gesink from Rabo... but i'd rather not KOD them, i'll just be very happy if they're in the mix after so many years of promising lots but delivery little.
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
You think Ryder will ride the Tour as well as the Giro?  I thought Garmin would not send him.  Anyone know for sure?


Supposedly himself, Danielson and Vandevelde as the main men. As I posted further up he's mused on the double this week.
Slapshot 3

I'm afraid I think we are all trying to find excuses not to pick Brad but I'm with Bart, he stays upright he wins.

His time trialing is IMPROVING at an exponential rate, who would ever have though him capable of taking 30+second out of Tony Martin at any time of the year. He's stronger in the mountain than ever and with this new regime, I think the tank will have plenty of fuel...I think it's his to lose now.

As for Andy.....stop kidding on you're a GT rider and chase the mountains jersey!!
Guiness

Slapshot 3 wrote:
I'm afraid I think we are all trying to find excuses not to pick Brad but I'm with Bart, he stays upright he wins.


thumleft
Biosphere

Well I considered starting a new thread for this, but with so few posting probably not worthwhile. The odds on Schleck are a lot, lot longer now. Broke a vertebrae in the Dauphine

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2...un/13/andy-schleck-tour-de-france

Other reports saying fractured pelvis.

So a Vuelta based reunion for Schleck and Contador?
SlowRower

Slapshot 3 wrote:
I'm afraid I think we are all trying to find excuses not to pick Brad...


Well you can count me out of "all" on this one...

Why would everyone else be looking for reasons not to pick Wiggo, though? I'll admit that he talks some complete and utter b*llocks in the media, but he's focused, dedicated, successful, riding a complete calendar and raising the profile of cycling in Britain, all of which I would have thought would be considered a "good thing".

I'll assume it's not simply the perception that he's doping, as numerous dopers have found favour with this forum in the past.
MAILLOT JAUNE

Maybe Frank will have a chance now that the albatross of Andy is not hanging round his neck or he'll still be in shock (or should that be schlock) and won't know what to do without his little brother.
smarauder68

It will be interesting to see Frank be freed up for once. Could this be the year when a climber goes on a long-range attack and pulls off a Pantani(circa 1998)?
Boogerd_Fan

smarauder68 wrote:
It will be interesting to see Frank be freed up for once. Could this be the year when a climber goes on a long-range attack and pulls off a Pantani(circa 1998)?


Thats a bit unfair on Der Kaiser... he was caught out by the rain, a puncture AND that Pantani attack. If it wasn't for the foul weather and a panic attack, he may have limited his losses significantly better.

I don't think there will be a rider of Pantani's climbing prowess capable to do something like that in this years Tour. They will all be soft pedalling to the last 3km where Frank (if RSNT are there) will sprint away for 10 seconds... small gains Very Happy
ullrichfan

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:
It will be interesting to see Frank be freed up for once. Could this be the year when a climber goes on a long-range attack and pulls off a Pantani(circa 1998)?


Thats a bit unfair on Der Kaiser... he was caught out by the rain, a puncture AND that Pantani attack. If it wasn't for the foul weather and a panic attack, he may have limited his losses significantly better.

I don't think there will be a rider of Pantani's climbing prowess capable to do something like that in this years Tour. They will all be soft pedalling to the last 3km where Frank (if RSNT are there) will sprint away for 10 seconds... small gains Very Happy


To be frank, it can't happen anymore - Pantani, and especially Chiappucci, achieved those wins through massive doses of r-EPO.  We are talking over 60% haematocrit.
smarauder68

I Had a dream today...

I had a dream today...that one day, early in the tour, Wiggins got caught up in a crash left him bloodied and bruised on the side of the road. Froome and Cav were the only two Skymates who stuck with the Peleton.  The others went back to pace the ailing Wiggins, who ends up losing 2:35 on the main bunch at the finish. The end result forced the Sky leadership to declare Froome the new team leader heading to the mountains. Aided by Wiggins, Froome managed to stay with the likes of Nibali, Gesink, VandenBruek and Sanchez and then in penultimate stage, he held off Evans in the Time Trial to win the Tour by less than 30 seconds.

In my dream, this was the final GC:

1)Froome
2)Evans @  27 secs
3)Gesink @ 51 secs
4)Menchov @1:22
5)Wiggins @ 1:34
6)Sanchez @ 1:52
7)VDB @ 2:21
8)Kloeden @2:33
9)Velits @3:01
10)Scarponi @3:20
Bartali

I love how you remember the time gaps in your dreams.  I can't even remember the girls' names from mine! Smile

But what happened to my man Nibs?
Boogerd_Fan

Velits at only 3:01... he's been climbing like they amputated his legs and replaced them with mine. That looks like his time gap on the first serious hillock, never mind MTF.
smarauder68

Bartali wrote:
I love how you remember the time gaps in your dreams.  I can't even remember the girls' names from mine! Smile

But what happened to my man Nibs?


Nibs to lose well over 4 minutes during the 100km of you know what.

Velits showed me something the last couple of years. He's limited but gritty.
Beasley

Be careful, SM, there's a couple of downhill finishes that might suit Nibali.

... & he's not a bad TTer, either.
smarauder68

Beasley wrote:
Be careful, SM, there's a couple of downhill finishes that might suit Nibali.

... & he's not a bad TTer, either.


The curse of Pantani haunts all Italians in France.  

One of the things my "dream" points out is that we're just one Wiggins bad day away from elevating Mr. Foome to a bonafide contender.  I was very impressed with Froome in the Vuelta and felt like he was the strongest man in that race.
gerry12ie

Paddy Power is quaking in his boots Rolling Eyes

Outrights (Most of them a while ago)

T Martin 50/1
V Nibali 33/1
Porte 200/1
Kreuziger 80/1
Rolland 50/1
Mollema 150/

Young Rider - Valls Ferri 25/1

KOM - Dan Martin 12/1

Points - Greipel 12/1

Podium Finish - Hesjedal 10/1

Prologue - Larsson 25/1

Like I said, quaking...
smarauder68

My actuall punts are on page one now.  Among them:

Gesink $8.00 to win 200.00
JVDB 8 to win 240.00
Ryder 8 to win 360.00
Froome 11 to win 242
Kloden 6 to win 272.00
LL 6 to win 600.00
Rogers 6 to win 1500.00

Also got a wager in yesterday before the Italia-Germany semi...Balotelli for top goal scorer at the Euros...8 to win 280.00 - He went from 1 to 3 goals and now has a share of the top honor(5 tied with 3). If he stays tied, I'll get 280 divided by 5, roughly 58 bucks. Hopefully he'll get a 4th goal and win it out right.
ullrichfan

Hey guys, how about Scarponi to beat Schleck in the time trial?  William Hill offering 5/4 on Scarponi and 4/7 on Schleck in the head-to-head which looks an amazing price to me.

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