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crash48

Custom built wheels

Anyone ever got wheels built, and if so, how were they compared to the off the rack big boys?

Also best wheel specs for racing that has lots of climbs-both long climbs and very steep but shorter climbs?

cheers
Bartali

Long time ago. Very much depends on how good your wheel builder is. Top flight road wheels are probably better than most these days. I like my Accent II, but I want to treat myself to a pair of Zipp 202s!
headwind

Re: Custom built wheels

crash48 wrote:
Anyone ever got wheels built, and if so, how were they compared to the off the rack big boys?

Also best wheel specs for racing that has lots of climbs-both long climbs and very steep but shorter climbs?

cheers


Will be in touch with a ride report next month. The best thing so far is that Im dealing with a master wheelbuilder and we have been talking about all my cycling targets and that has impacted rim type and composition, spoke count, lacing pattern, and minor item selections like nipples. So far, its definitely been a positive experience. Knowing that you can select each component is great. The biggest issue has been waiting for the 2007 hubsets to be delivered (from Switzerland in my case). Like I said, I should be getting delivery next month and will post some pix and give aride report. Im using Joe Young, directly recommended from DT Swiss.

Crash, with respect to question 2, this is exactly where a talk with a master wheelbuilder comes in...all the prebuilts are built using flashy lacing patterns and materials to move product...whether the wheel is right on for your needs is a different thing. Ive quickly become a believer in ceramic bearings though...your thoughts? Ive decided to go that route with money as opposed to carbon rims...they scare the hell out of me in the end, as gorgeous as they are. Id need an insurance replacement program! A carbon frame is bad enough!!!

http://www.youngwheels.com/

hw
bbnaz

Man, good thing you are here HW. I wish that I could get MrB on these boards as he is really the gearhead............electrical engineer by trade, master cycling craftsman by night.

seriously.
crash48

cheers everyone.

The whole carbon wheel thing is a concern what with some of the roads I ride on, but those boys can fly.
CapeRoadie

Thanks for this thread, everybody. My time for a new wheelset is coming...
thunderthighs

build my own. have the latest true-ing gig..pavan cycle in toronto gave it to me, i had the older style of a wrench on teh other side.. these facncy wheel are great, but the wear rate is high, i use regular campy hubs on a modern rim..its fine..

ciao...
crash48

TT

How often do you train on your race wheels? Or are they for the race only?
headwind

counter acting the bummer of my ear, my custom built NEW WHEELS came today. And they are sweet to be sure.

pix forthcomming.

hw
bbnaz

oooh new candy eh HW?
Bartali

Good for you Chris - I look forward to seeing the pix!
headwind

the pair. no fancy lacing just classic 3x...its been working for a long long time.

headwind

classy touch. joe built these with red nipples opposite the valve stem


A custom build comes with an autograph. At my weigh, I opeted for double eyelet rear and single eyelet front


the business end of things
headwind

Ive loaded the teeth on for Austria


the new ceramic bearing DT Swiss 190C hub. Sa-weeeet! Note the aero spokes. All built, with 32 spokes, <1450 g. about 500 g less than my current wheels. putting red conti gp4000 tires on.
CapeRoadie

NICE!
Bartali

Beautiful!!!

A 29er!! You riding a standard chainset rather than a compact? I'm sticking with my 26 - but that is with a 34 (or is ir a 35? can't remember) on the front!
headwind

Thanks guys...really a sight to behold...and like the old cycling addage...lighter than a fart and blessed by the pope. truely magnifico.

nope not a reg 53/39...Im a big believer in the compact chainset. for the grossglockner Im gonna need the 34x29. Remember Ive lost most intense training since March. What I really need is your wheel...and a small rope I can attach to your saddle to fix to my stem !!!

soon as these get mounted, a new bike pic is coming. you think theres any chance when i ordered tires I onlygot 1 and not 2?????????

on this topic...anyone running conti gp4000 tires? Im really struggling to get these goddam tires over the rim. i broke two levers today so far.

hw
Arrive Alive

headwind wrote:


on this topic...anyone running conti gp4000 tires? Im really struggling to get these goddam tires over the rim. i broke two levers today so far.

hw


would this be any use?

http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/lkid/2/product-0-VAR-Tyre-Lever-903.htm

(I know this link is to a UK shop, but there must be similar over the pond?)
Bartali

I was running Conti Grand Prix - but they kept puncturing and didn't help my decending abilities. Running a veloflex corsa(?) now which I really like.
crash48

I had the same problem with my one experience with Conti Grand Prix . Punctures all the time.

I train with Vittoria diamante tyres (which just don't seem to puncture and last for ever) and yet still have good rolling ability, and use Vittoria open corsa for races and sportifs.
headwind

Arrive Alive wrote:

would this be any use?

http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/lkid/2/product-0-VAR-Tyre-Lever-903.htm

(I know this link is to a UK shop, but there must be similar over the pond?)


thanks for the help...absolutely frustrating.
headwind

here they are on my baby. note that HW can be misguided occasionally, and only ordered 1 new tire...thinking I was ordering one set of 2 tires...the piiiiiiiiiiillllllllzzzzzzzzz people, its the PILLS!

oh yeah...they are very fast with the ceramic bearings. cant wait to feel a bit better and really give em a go.



Bartali

Beautiful!!!!!!

It looks Fantastic!
crash48

Bloody hell You keep your bike clean!
MerlinGuy

That's a beautiful machine, HW. Obvious from the rings you are one that is either going up a mountain or down a mountain.

1 set of 2 - LOL!
headwind

what the hell was I thinking? New red conti on the way for the rear right now.

Thanks All. I really do love this beast, even better than the Fondriest. Im still slowly getting my position down so cutting the fork only in 5 mm increments. I expect to cut it once more.

Honestly, the current 52/34 chanset is the only thing Id ever run anymore. I have huge gearing options and once you learn to shift to avoid cross up, its no big deal. Ive never dropped the chain going big to little ring. Ive slapped on a monster 13-29 for Austria, but normally run a 12-25. Round these parts, my life on a bike does two things: up slow or down fast. My driveway os 10% and my street is 11%!!
headwind

crash48 wrote:
Bloody hell You keep your bike clean!


every ride gets a quick rub down crash. Im religious about that. I clean the chain every week or 2. My life changed with a wippermann chain and the connex link. Takes a second to take off and pop the chain in some degreaser, then the back wheel right after that. IM slow enough that aclean drive train helps...i need every watt!

wippermann chains...another perfect cycling product. highly recommended.

hw
crash48

good advice
Bartali

I have a connex link on my campag record - I highly recomend it.
sheeponabike

Gorgous bike HW. I particularly like the "old fashioned" bars. The new bike i'm buying has these new things with the straight bit on the drops. I DETEST the bloody things, but all new bikes seem to be fitted with them. God knows how long it will take me to get round to changing them tho.
headwind

merci sheep. Im really happy with how its come along. Im not a "red" person, but it seems to have found me!

As for bars. I am so "over" the ergo bends for 1 major reason. It forces exactly where my hands have to go. A nice continuous bend is supple to the touch and allows for infinity of hand positions. i love these. only bar id ever use again.

hw
sheeponabike

I know. Why do people like these friggin' bars? I told mrs sheep that the new bike was upgrade proof, so it'll be a while untill I can sneak a new purchase in.

I see you have a wacking 29 toother on the back. I would love to know the size of the small ring to give me an idea of your gearing.
headwind

For going to Austria, Im running a compact chainset with a 52 big ring and a 34 little ring. cassette is a 13-29. Im a big believe in the compact crank as it gioves far and away the best number of gearing options. Also, to handle the gear load, I got a medium cage rear derailleur. All I know is that its saved me from the personal humiliation (note teh word personal here) of a triple!!

under ordinary cirsumstances I would run 52 big and 36 small up front and a 12-25 in back. I cant out pedal a 52x12 in most cases without risk of severe injury!

I keep a number of chain rings around and 2 cassettes to handle the variying conditions.

hw
sheeponabike

I'm too old to be humiliated by running a triple, but that's interesting because my smallest gear is 26 rear/28 ring, which must work out about the same as your 29 rear/32 ring.
hmmm...food for thought - are triples neccesary even for old fogeys?
berck

headwind wrote:
All I know is that its saved me from the personal humiliation (note teh word personal here) of a triple!!


No personal humilation here. I love triples because it gives me the good shifting of a 52 / 42 and the 30 when I need it for the hard grades. I've been running a 12-25 9 speed cassette, but I have to use a 12-27 for the Death Ride because I'm getting too tired on multiple long hill climbs.
headwind

The thing with a triple is the added mass of the chainset and bottom bracket and the lack of flexibility (although one could argue that a triple has all flexibility ever). With a compact double, I can get practically any gear except one to sprint at 40 mph...and there are other problems attached to that are tiotally unrelated to my bike!

the soaring sales of compact cranks since 2003 (which started in 2003 with the Tour and FSA for the stage to Pau that Tyler won) says its time was long overdue.

hw
sheeponabike

I've just checked this out on an old gear table and our lowest gears are identical!
berck's got a good point there tho. Changing through 3 closely spaced rings is smoother than the change between a large spaced double, I would've thought.
berck

But shifting from the Big ring to the small ring forces about a three to four sprocket change on the back of the cassette. Using a 52/42 and doing the same thing only calls for a one sprocket change on the back of the cassette. Less chance of chain deflection.

The wieght is an issue, but its small compared to a water bottle, or my own weight on the bike. Besides, you can use a smaller cassette in the back and offset some of the weight gained on the triple

Now, would you be arguing about weight back in the days when the double was introduced versus the old single chaing ring? Wink
headwind

ive never dropped a chain. chain cross is an issue at first because there are few overlapping gears, but I do plan and dont have issues...takes a ride or two to get used to it.

I have opted for this little widget though:

a deda dog fang. It clamps to the seat tube and prevents the chan from falling through if the worst occurs.



and in place on valverde's machine



these things became much more popular after Dandy Millar had his chain "unship" (a brit term for throwing a chain????????) during the Tour prologue a few years back. At a few grams, its an easy fix for any bike. Highly recommended.

hw
headwind

berck wrote:
But shifting from the Big ring to the small ring forces about a three to four sprocket change on the back of the cassette. Using a 52/42 and doing the same thing only calls for a one sprocket change on the back of the cassette. Less chance of chain deflection.

The wieght is an issue, but its small compared to a water bottle, or my own weight on the bike. Besides, you can use a smaller cassette in the back and offset some of the weight gained on the triple

Now, would you be arguing about weight back in the days when the double was introduced versus the old single chaing ring?


all true. for me, this configuration has given a string of options. I love tinkering with my bike, and so its no big deal at all. everyone has their prefs and any argument about a personal set up is not what Im looking for. Im just simply plenty happy with my gear range and set up.

pedal hard!

hw
Bartali

I am a great believer in the compact chainset for most of the reasons raised by HW (personal humiliation, weight etc) but also looks. Stupid maybe, but I just can't get used to looking at a triple on a road bike - crazy I know.

HW - I like the look of your dog fang gadget. Never seen one before. Useless to me because of the odd shaped seat tube on my Ghisallo, but I'll get one if and when I treat myself to another bike.
berck

HW,

I forgot the Wink after my question. The question was in jest. I agree that people have their own personal setups. If I was quite a bit lighter, I would definitely be running with a double 39 / 53 like I did in my earlier days. Its just to hard to push those high grades any more.

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