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Critérium du Dauphiné: Sun 4th June - Sun 11th June 2017

FPs are now open for what looks like quite a climby edition.

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/sutra237334.php#237334
Nolte

and as usual with the dauphine, it is an early start tomorrow
HuwB

And as usual in the Dauphine, (or ToS) Thomas de Gendt goes up the road to get his stage win.
Badly misjudged chase by Orica, given the sprinter teams were never interested. DD were never pulling them back alone.

UKES coverage is all over the place this week, what with the wall to wall tennis coverage.
Live today, then late for two days before live again.
Biosphere

RAI were live for the last 35km yesterday (think there was a Juventus Cardiff post mortem going on that delayed the start of their coverage). Should be a reasonable back up for the week.
Biosphere

Evening highlights on ITV 4 in case anyone hasn't spotted that yet. Some pre and post race interview in the mix. Contador says he has a weak team, so it's up to others to work.
Biosphere

Has there been a new UCI rule banning calculators or something? Given it's the second time this week that they've gotten their sums wrong on the catch I do wonder . . .

Still always nice to see the break survive.
gerry12ie

4 - Try Porte please
gerry12ie

It's getting to be nice entertaining trend, this breakaway malarkey  Very Happy
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
Has there been a new UCI rule banning calculators or something? Given it's the second time this week that they've gotten their sums wrong on the catch I do wonder . . .

Still always nice to see the break survive.


FDJ alone today, DD alone on stage 1.

I noticed that Katusha didn't make the usual effort.
Partly due to Kristoff's poor form perhaps, but I suspect also partly due to them being mugged in the past by the last 3kms only, Cofidis boys.
They never work in WT races, just the Coupe de France and so on.
Biosphere

I wasn't watching cos days like today are drying paint days, but the reports I read did suggest Cofidis were working and stretching it out between 50km and 25km to go and then they left it to others after they had brought the gap down quite a bit?
Nolte

Watching highlights on itv4 now, I just thought breakaway will succeed as they said today's stage is the most clear cut sprinters day Wink
HuwB

Stage results:

1 Richie Porte (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:28:07
2 Tony Martin (Ger) Katusha-Alpecin 0:00:12
3 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Movistar Team 0:00:24
4 Stef Clement (Ned) Team LottoNl-Jumbo 0:00:28
5 Chad Haga (USA) Team Sunweb 0:00:32
6 Jasha Sütterlin (Ger) Movistar Team
7 Alberto Contador (Spa) Trek-Segafredo 0:00:35
8 Christopher Froome (GBr) Team Sky 0:00:37
9 Thomas De Gendt (Bel) Lotto Soudal 0:00:42
10 Brent Bookwalter (USA) BMC Racing Team 0:00:45

General classification after stage 4:

1 Thomas De Gendt (Bel) Lotto Soudal 13:05:53
2 Richie Porte (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:00:27
3 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Movistar Team 0:00:51
4 Stef Clement (Ned) Team LottoNl-Jumbo 0:00:55
5 Alberto Contador (Spa) Trek-Segafredo 0:01:02
6 Christopher Froome (GBr) Team Sky 0:01:04
7 Brent Bookwalter (USA) BMC Racing Team 0:01:12
8 Jesus Herrada (Spa) Movistar Team 0:01:15
9 Sam Oomen (Ned) Team Sunweb 0:01:17
10 Diego Ulissi (Ita) UAE Team Emirates 0:01:22

What was telling for me was that Porte, Valverde and Contador all put time into Froome in the second half of the trial, which had the main climb.

2017 starting to look a bit like 2014 for the out and out favourite for the Tour.
Maybe this year, it will be a battle, rather than a surrender.
Biosphere

Well Froome's not been injured (AFAIK) like he was in 2014 so he's not had to chase form like he did that year. Too many distractions with new family situation? He maybe looked heavier than usual too?

I'm more than a bit astonished by Valverde. A tired Quintana and himself will be an odd couple come July.

Putting together the Suisse FP thread, I was struck by BMC bringing a big name team (home tour I guess), so went to check Porte's supporting cast. Doesn't look too bad.
gerry12ie

Well it certainly hasn't been the dominant Froome that we've been used to, and Porte is the one with the weight of expectations now.  Still, horses for courses - and I wouldn't be in a hurry to back against Froome in July.  

Valverde is Iron Man... Wink
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
Well Froome's not been injured (AFAIK) like he was in 2014 so he's not had to chase form like he did that year. Too many distractions with new family situation? He maybe looked heavier than usual too?


I've been wondering about froome's weight too.

But I'd agree with Gerry about come july
Biosphere

Yes, at the moment I would go with Froome too as he knows how to win it, but it looks like it won't be a coronation this year.
HuwB

The breakaway aren't going to make it, today.
Dylan van Baarle is last man standing, but FDJ, Katusha, Sunweb, Direct Energy and DD have all been working hard in the chase.
No, not Cofidis though. Wink  Laughing
HuwB

Well well, Phil Bauhaus beats them all.
France get Demare 2nd, Coquard 3rd, Petit 4th and Bouhanni 5th.
Kristoff team bossed it, but he could only manage 6th.
gerry12ie

There is something curiously anti-zen about Bouhanni - he invariably follows the path of most resistance Wink

Nice pick Bio

Katusha management might be right about Kristoff, it looks like his bolt is shot...
mazda

gerry12ie wrote:

Katusha management might be right about Kristoff, it looks like his bolt is shot...

That's what you get when you peak for the Tour of Oman.
HuwB

gerry12ie wrote:


Nice pick Bio



I hadn't realised, so I've pinched half Bio's points. Embarassed
Still, the way his hot streak is working, a bit of man-to-man marking might be the way to go.
He currently has the Midas touch.
Bartali

I wouldn't worry too much about Froome - he'll be there when it matters. Anyway, Porte will 'blow-up' like always. Good rider but I'll be shocked if he ever makes a GT podium.
gerry12ie

Porte has been a tad unlucky at critical times in GTs, but the best riders don't seem to be affected by misfortune the same way he does.  It is food for thought that he held the race lead and won the Young Rider classification all them years ago in his breakout Giro and since then his GT results are:

TDF - 72, 34, 19, 23, 48, 5

Giro - 7, 81, DNF

Vuelta - 68

Given his form this season, you would have to think it is now or never for him, and I'd be leaning towards the latter...
Biosphere

And he's 32, so it really is getting to now or never.
gerry12ie

Biosphere wrote:
And he's 32, so it really is getting to now or never.


We've been saying that about Valverde for all of this decade Wink  Wink
HuwB

Heck of a stage.
Birdsong beat Bio.Razz
Froome impressive too.
Aru finds his GT form, straight off the bat.
Slapshot 3

That was a cracker of a last 30km. I'm not a fan of Chris Froome but a major chapeau necessary for the way he hammered that descent, impressive!
Bartali

Enjoyed that.  If Aru has got back to that form with no racing, then I fancy him for the podium come July.

Bertie now looks well past his best.
gerry12ie

Aye, Contador has been on a slow slide for some time now.  Don't worry though, he'll still pull an audacious Contador classic attack that will take the breath away and we will all say 'only he could have done that'.  Those moments are fewer and further between, and a little less effective every time...

Brilliant descending from Froome - reminds me to check the TDF profiles
Fontfroide

Watched the last bit and loved it.  It was a proper climb, with people getting dropped and coming back and fading slightly under attack ... and so forth.  A pleasure to watch.  Bit sad that Chaves and Yates could not contribute more to the racing, but they finished together, so might have had a chat about how they will make waves in the next two days.  Meintjes seems to be in reasonable shape, given the Tour is some weeks away, and he has certainly been promising something for ages.  No idea what happened to Barguil, he seemed so promising and then drops six minutes on one hill.  Clearly not everyone is on top form.  

Just out of curiosity does anyone know why Gaudu withdrew?

Notice Latour made a respectable ride for young lad.  I wonder if he will turn into a champ in a year or two.

Emmanuel Buchmann, I surely didn't know much about him, actually nothing whatsoever.  

And still two more days.
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
Brilliant descending from Froome - reminds me to check the TDF profiles
It was!! He seems to have changed his style over the last 15 months.  Arguably a bit less zip on the climbs, but much more audacious than before.  Better from a spectator perspective.

But what was Porte playing at. Did he forget that he was no longer on Sky's books? He must have towed Froome for about 3km then got scorched on the descent ...
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:


Just out of curiosity does anyone know why Gaudu withdrew?

Notice Latour made a respectable ride for young lad.  I wonder if he will turn into a champ in a year or two.

Emmanuel Buchmann, I surely didn't know much about him, actually nothing whatsoever.  



Nothing in today's news, but he did crash on the recon of the TT course the other day.

Buchmann won the German national title a couple of years back, at 22.
3rd last year in the Tour's young rider competiton, behind Yates and Meintjes.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
. . . Birdsong beat Bio.Razz . . .


At least Froome and the crowd barriers won't be looking for half the points after interfering with my pick Wink
Bartali

I'm liking Bardet more and more.  He reminds me of Nibs.
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
I'm liking Bardet more and more.  He reminds me of Nibs.


Dropping a load of time beforehand sure helps in the old panache stakes. Wink
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Bartali wrote:
I'm liking Bardet more and more.  He reminds me of Nibs.


Dropping a load of time beforehand sure helps in the old panache stakes. Wink


Which one of them are we talking about now Wink
Bartali

£1 says he finishes the Tour in front of Porte Wink
Biosphere

Is the pound going to be worth anything by the end of July? Wink

OK, I'll take you up on it if it's serious, but since it wouldn't really change either of our retirement plans, the loser just puts the winners winnings in a good cause box they come across?
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
Is the pound going to be worth anything by the end of July? Wink

OK, I'll take you up on it if it's serious, but since it wouldn't really change either of our retirement plans, the loser just puts the winners winnings in a good cause box they come across?


Its a deal Smile Smile
Biosphere

French and Italian TV has gone live, if people are being let down by ES. 40km to go. Front of the race is very fractured and Porte looks isolated.
Biosphere

Porte looks like he's in trouble.
maffy

benoot, t's been climbing surprisingly well this week. wonder if he and oomen, s can drop porte, r on this last climb...

nah, thought not. froome need someone to help at tempo for about 8km...
maffy

froome drops valverde from group. power meter battle with porte remains steady according to timing.
Biosphere

D Martin has had enough of the power meter battle.
Biosphere

With the win bonus, Fuglsang might just win the GC. Froome's barrier squeeze from the other day might be decisive!
maffy

allez birdsong. huwb needs more fp points. ah action. they should hurry up. it's nearly time for leogang dhi. i note there was some welsh success in the junior ladies at fort midgeiam.
maffy

minkies swimming swiftly.
ventoux

that was damned impressive!!!

good to see Dan Martin on the podium too....  Very Happy
gerry12ie

The first (late) cuckoo of Spring - Porte cracking?
gerry12ie

Looks like I'm behind everyone on ES - so I'll duck out for a few minutes...
Biosphere

Fuglsang does it by 10s!
gerry12ie

Brilliant stuff, just how a bike race should finish.  Fuglsang never overcooked it, stayed calm and did the business.  Froome now has a formidable weapon in his descent, but the climbing needs to improve.  I feel sorry for Porte, but he doesn't have the nous or the bottle.  

Kirby almost broke his own record for clueless commentary halfway up the climb...

#freerobhatch
Biosphere

I think part of Porte's problem was being isolated so he couldn't mark everything. Fuglsang had already gone clear (for the 1st time) when the TV went live, so that would be the interesting thing to see  - when and how he slipped away.
Bartali

Great stage. Shockingly bad commentary.

Great ride by Porte, but we've seen today why he won't win the Tour (or any other GT)
Biosphere

Nibali's younger brother disqualified for holding onto team car. I wonder where he got an idea like that from Wink
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
Nibali's younger brother disqualified for holding onto team car. I wonder where he got an idea like that from Wink

Froome?  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
Nibali's younger brother disqualified for holding onto team car. I wonder where he got an idea like that from Wink

Froome?  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes


GT champs obviously have it down to a fine art.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny6-G4tHAj4

The Skoda of Messina. Laughing
HuwB

Cor, that was a sweet stage.
Fuglsang and Porte covered the final climb in just about equal time, but Birdsong looked to be singing with a bit more breath to spare.
 Dan Martin's attack, along with Froome, basically won him the GC.
Impressive ride from young Louis M, eventually breaking Bardet in the process.   Froomey almost back to a bit of his old style weaving.
Definitely a few points off where he would expect to be, three weeks from Düsseldorf.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
Nibali's younger brother disqualified for holding onto team car. I wonder where he got an idea like that from Wink

Froome?  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes


GT champs obviously have it down to a fine art.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny6-G4tHAj4

The Skoda of Messina. Laughing


Well he's not with Astana anymore, so not sure how much of it is relevant 2 years later.
Bartali

Indeed ... I have to say I was a bit confused myself.
HuwB

I'm the most confused of all.
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
I think part of Porte's problem was being isolated so he couldn't mark everything. Fuglsang had already gone clear (for the 1st time) when the TV went live, so that would be the interesting thing to see  - when and how he slipped away.

I thought Fuglsang went clear at the point that Gallopin attacked (40.2 km to go).
Latour went and then loads of them followed.
Froome and Contador forced Porte to go to the front.
mazda

I'm with Martin when he says that he wished riders would ride like that at the Tour.
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
I think part of Porte's problem was being isolated so he couldn't mark everything. Fuglsang had already gone clear (for the 1st time) when the TV went live, so that would be the interesting thing to see  - when and how he slipped away.

I thought Fuglsang went clear at the point that Gallopin attacked (40.2 km to go).
Latour went and then loads of them followed.
Froome and Contador forced Porte to go to the front.


Maybe he did and I missed it. I was not long back after a bike ride myself and faffing a bit getting a drink and a bit to eat, although I didn't hear any excited Italian commentary along the lines of "parte Fuglsang" whilst in the kitchen. I didn't record it so can't double check.
mazda

I expect that Aru being out front with Valverde was exciting enough for any Italian commentator.

I'm not sure of the order they went, but Martin, Bardet and Fuglsang formed a trio.
Porte managed to work back up to some of the others - e.g. Gallopin - but those 3 big names got away.
Then when Gallopin tried for a second time Contador (and Meintjes ?) got away leaving Porte and Froome, who also finally attacked over the top of the climb.

Porte was actually very impressive on the final climb, considering he'd had to work alone on the preceding flat bit. Not really a collapse.
You have to wonder whether he'd have won if it wasn't for Kwiatkowski.

BMC have to do better - maybe have sent all their best mountain support team to the TdS ?
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
I'm the most confused of all.


Well for me, the holding on to the car stuff just looks like a Benny Hill chase scene as they go speeding off and when I see it nowadays that's the music that plays in my head. For me his brother being caught for the same was amusing despite the fact that yes there's a more serious side to it. But he's a small fry so it barely merits mentioning were it not for his sibling.

What I watched of the linked video (I stopped half way through) just seemed out of context to me and they are old criticisms (but valid subjects of discussion).

Not wanting to detract from a very good day of racing yestarday, I will just say (sort of in response to half of the video I watched) that all the big GC riders have at their best in the last few years produced very similar power outputs which are at the border of what is humanly feasible. Which is where the best in the world should be operating or where a well managed program would place a lesser rider.

Hard to tell them apart. Basically, if we suspect one of them for whatever reason, then basically we need to suspect them all.

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