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kathy

Critérium du Dauphiné, starts Sunday, 2nd June

The FP thread for the Dauphiné is available here

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/sutra210958.php#210958

8 stages including one ITT.  Starts Sunday, 2nd June
Biosphere

Greetings from Champéry. Have had a grand morning here so far. Very relaxed and able mingle with the riders freely.

Last 150m kicks back up slightly so wilI suit the punchier types, but not sure it's steep enough for Rodriguez.
kathy

LInk here with Australian commentary

http://88.80.5.80/w00t/20130602/vv51ab222725952976880757-590164.html
HuwB

I'm watching France 3, but some way behind, so.................
Fontfroide

You no doubt have one of those features where you can more or less record it while you are catching up on the previous recording.  TIVO is it?

Is that what you mean by being behind?
Fontfroide

My pick seems to be dropped.  One day I am going to lose faith in EBH.  How could he be dropped, I thought he just came off a successful Tour of Norway.
Fontfroide

The break wins.  Why am I not enthused?

Although he rides a Colnago.
Fontfroide

I thought there was a wee hill at the end!  There was not.

Anyone know where we can find a decent map or description?
phildange

Here is OK ?
http://www.letour.fr/indexCDD_fr.html

For non French speakers, choose a stage on top (Sélectionnez une étape ), then down under "Parcours" you can select general profile (Profil )or last kilometer's profile (Dernier km ).
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phildange wrote:
Here is OK ?
http://www.letour.fr/indexCDD_fr.html


Absolutely!!
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
My pick seems to be dropped.  One day I am going to lose faith in EBH.  How could he be dropped, I thought he just came off a successful Tour of Norway.


We had live coverage on big screen in Champéry for a lot of the stage. EBH was doing donkey work early on. Imagine that's his role for the week.

Had expected to find you in cheery mood with an honorary French rider winning from break Smile
Fontfroide

True, usually I like it a lot when the escape escapes.  And a guy who never has won before.  And a foreign person who speaks French with his heavy Quebecois accent.  You would think I would be happy.  But correct me if I am wrong … was there anything resembling racing by anyone else?

Still, good on him.

And thanks for the link.  I should have looked there and realised they call it a hill but it is not.  Third category indeed.  I rode up a third category the other day near me, and it was an actual hill.

Looking forward to the rest of the race.
HuwB

Why do you think I picked Meersman? Wink
Last km clearly shows the gradient to be about 2.5%.

Thought any of the Bouhanni types wouldn't get over the 1st cat
and so it proved.

Veilleux has had some good results. Very strong today.
Come the Dauphine and come Europcar.
They are to the Tour and this, what Vini Farnesi are to the Giro.
ullrichfan

HuwB wrote:
Come the Dauphine and come Europcar.
They are to the Tour and this, what Vini Farnesi are to the Giro.


Mmm, yes.  Not sure if you mean to insinuate anything suspicious but I agree if you do!
HuwB

ullrichfan wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Come the Dauphine and come Europcar.
They are to the Tour and this, what Vini Farnesi are to the Giro.


Mmm, yes.  Not sure if you mean to insinuate anything suspicious but I agree if you do!


Wink
Biosphere

Actually I think I may have mixed up Stannard and EBH - saw a  national jersey and since there was something like 80km to go I didn't pay a lot of attention - Sky pacesetting - eyes glaze over.
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
Why do you think I picked Meersman? Wink
Last km clearly shows the gradient to be about 2.5%.



Good pick.  I just failed to look carefully.  Just saw the cat 3 and figured it was at the top of that.  Carelessness produces losers.  

Watching the race, I thought I must be right since Valverde's guys were riding hard for some time.  Thought it would be an uphill sprint.  I should just give up picking.
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Why do you think I picked Meersman? Wink
Last km clearly shows the gradient to be about 2.5%.



Good pick.  I just failed to look carefully.  Just saw the cat 3 and figured it was at the top of that.  Carelessness produces losers.  

Watching the race, I thought I must be right since Valverde's guys were riding hard for some time.  Thought it would be an uphill sprint.  I should just give up picking.


Not at all.
When I first looked at that profile, I was also set to pick the Moviestar captain, but then I saw those numbers.

Andrew Talansky bit the GC dust, yeaterday. Ill again apparently.
Twice now in his last two outings.
gerry12ie

Martin looks to be the perfect replacement for Wiggins at Sky if the worst comes to the worst there.  He will hardly fulfill any GT ambitions he may be harbouring at OPQS and if Sky can do it with Wiggins they could surely do it with Der Panzerwagon
Biosphere

Not quite sure why it's so early birds today, but there only 40km left. Off to find a TV channel that's not fussed about tennis.
gerry12ie

And there's me having a nice relaxing Bank Holday watching The Horde - a French Flics et Gangsters vs Zombies movie Wink

Bloody cycling getting in the way of fun...
Fontfroide

Just got in, only 20 k less.  Must figure out what is happening.
Fontfroide

they haven't put in the lines yet, on this descent.  Does it look like a new road surface?

Clearly not new surface with 12 k left.  We shall see on the descent.
Nolte

europcar has taken the first stage and (obviously) worn leaders jerysey in both paris-nice and dauphine this year.
Fontfroide

No escaped winner today.  Oh well.  Meersman.

Although I am waiting for Rogers to make a move. Rolling Eyes
Fontfroide

Ohhh, I am happy about that winner.

One has a certain sentiment for riders one has chosen to be on a team.  Although not this time, sadly.
mazda

I am super annoyed.

Last night I lazily scanned the startlist in our FP thread for Viviani and saw he wasn't there.
This is despite me looking at him in the Procyclingstats startlist over the weekend (the same time I looked for Quintana who isn't due to ride until the tour itself).

Serves me right I suppose  Rolling Eyes
Nolte

mazda wrote:
I am super annoyed.

Last night I lazily scanned the startlist in our FP thread for Viviani and saw he wasn't there.
This is despite me looking at him in the Procyclingstats startlist over the weekend (the same time I looked for Quintana who isn't due to ride until the tour itself).

Serves me right I suppose  Rolling Eyes


must have came in as a replacement for Caruso after our list was posted.
Fontfroide

Good thing it doesn't matter or you could sue the person who put up the list and did not go back and correct it when changes occurred.  I am sure if you lived in the USA you might be tempted.  

At least I found out that Quintana was not riding.
HuwB

Quintana hasn't turned a pedal in anger since the Ardennes.
Went back to Colombia for 2 months, back June 20th to create havoc at Le Tour................

Surprised that Viviani got over the climb, but he's got the conditioning from the Giro.
Saved my Meersman blushes since, for once, I didn't fp him.
JohnD

Really suprised Viviani even turned up so soon after the Giro, but some sprints there he was just half-arsed about going for so maybe one long training ride for him.
maffy

stop complaining. he was 66-1 before 8.54 this am. a pair of beardy-toon-hipsterfixies overtook me today. splendid weather out.
Biosphere

A selection of snaps from Sunday. I know there are lots of photos of pretty much the same available elsewhere, but rather than them gathering dust on my hard drive (well only metaphorically I hope) . . .

Gerrans was having a good yawn about things.

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Yesterday's winner the day before yesterday having a bad hair day.

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Hopefully soon to be yesterday's man and I wonder if he was quite so cheery after hearing yesterday's news. On a tangent, it did get me wondering why there were loads of people standing behind barriers and I was on the other side mingling around with the talent. In the end I concluded I was allowed to be there, but some people see barriers and assume they must stand behind them Smile

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I never bother with autographs, but I was going to ask if he could make it out to Mr. Shifter Wink

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For our American contingent.

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And for our Spanish contingent. Himself and McQuaid were having a good old laugh about something, so if you judge a man by the company he keeps . . .
Also, I do wonder about how hot the new brain buckets are to wear and where does he stick his shades now when he's not wearing them.

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In contrast another part of the Spanish contingent was having a good laugh approaching sign in. McQuaid was standing right beside me when I was taking this, but when Contador continued towards us he had the the look of a man staring off into infinity trying to pretend he doesn't see what's under his nose. So much so that I could have reached out and touched Contador with one hand and McQuaid with the other yet nothing was exchanged between them.

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A national jersey for Fontfroide

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Mostly mostest of the peloton are using SRMs. The only difference with Sky is that theirs don't say SRM on the headset. For their better riders anyway.

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Froome was getting way more media attention than Contador. He got mobbed after signing on. That may have been a consequence of it being the first opportunity for a quote since the Wiggin's announcement, but once he broke free he was busy trying to avoid making eye contact with anyone either too.

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On the other hand (and speaking of wearing the hoops and going to the other end of the peloton), Hushovd wasn't getting much attention. Even BMC man couldn't be bothered to lift his camera Wink

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And another national jersey for Fontfroide

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Sanchez and Noval have a chat

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Rodrigueuz having a laugh

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Waiting at the finish line. Having to kill an hour, I've now figured out that the ASO uniform even covers the shoes (Le Coq Sportif).

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The winner wins.

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The badger unveils a surprise plan with bullet points of Porte and Champs Elysees Wink

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I thought he was particularly happy on the podium. I know there's no real need to post them all, but given that it's almost certainly the only time in his career that he'll win a stage and collect a yellow, polka and green that he deserves his 15 mins. I liked the cowbell. In contrast Voeckler didn't look happy about a team mate winning at all, but hard to know if that was just one of his gurning faces, he was in pain with something or the realisation that he'll not be allowed go in a break by his team for the next few days.

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One for Boogie - Slagter adds a bit of variety

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Time to go to the next place

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I will once again say that for anyone who's interested in going to see a race, the smaller ones are just so more relaxed and open compared to the likes of a GT.

50ish km to go in today's race.
gerry12ie

Great pics Bio, thanks for posting.  Agreed the smaller races are much more relaxed and accessible.  The exception being LBL for the obvious start/finish reasons, and if coupled with Fleche is IMO as good a cycling fan trip as you could make.
Fontfroide

Your shots indicate you had a very fine day.  Still find it noteworthy  and a tiny bit startling that Bouhanni's jersey is virtually without adverts.  I do not like Madiot at all, but for that part of his actions, I have some respect.  Thanks for sharing the pics.
Fontfroide

I see that not everyone has those fences with feet that DO NOT stick out.  At the Tour they are all with feet tucked in, to prevent crashes at the finish.
mazda

Nice pics.

Biosphere wrote:
McQuaid was standing right beside me
...


I don't know how you managed to hold your tongue. Smile
Fontfroide

Rather like learning the names of guys like Didier or de Clercq, whom I have never heard of.  Make an attack at the end, get your name on TV.  Why not?
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
I see that not everyone has those fences with feet that DO NOT stick out.  At the Tour they are all with feet tucked in, to prevent crashes at the finish.


I'd be pretty sure that all the infrastructure was ASOs. Legs were painted in French colours! Where the legs are sticking out was with about 250m to go. You can see on the other going home photo that was on the finishing strait, they had boards leaning up against the barriers to hide the legs and make them safer.

Mazda wrote:
I don't know how you managed to hold your tongue.


I was tempted Mazda, but I figured I'd just take photos and enjoy myself instead of getting ejected from the enclosure Laughing
Fontfroide

Right Bio, I see the better fences.

Now we see if either of my national guys will win.  Doubt it.
Fontfroide

Didn't pick him, but happy to see EBH take a decent victory.  I see Bouhanni got blocked twice at the every end, although he was  probably a bit pooped from getting back on.  Even my pal Thor was not bad.  A good day, no points.
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
Didn't pick him, but happy to see EBH take a decent victory. .


Yes. More varied than another string of Meersman victories Smile

Bouhani and Viviani got detached inside the final km.
HuwB

Been wondering where Michael Matthews's niche was and I found out today.
He's an Australian cut price knock off of Norway's nearly man. Embarassed

After hanging on, on the climb, Bouhanni had to claw his way through the entire bunch.
Viviani's legs seemed to suffer a mechanical, today.
Fontfroide

Huw,
There are times when I think you are needlessly unkind.  EBH watched waited, was led out very well and won.  What is so nearly about that?  I still agree that he is not quite so awesome as some, like Sagan, but he is not really THAT bad.  Nearly man indeed!  But I certainly don't want to start an argument, as I know what you mean.  Sometimes just a tad disappointing.  And boring when he talks.

And of course I think you are a gem, Huw.  A bit gruff, but a gem.
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:

I never bother with autographs, but I was going to ask if he could make it out to Mr. Shifter Wink

Whose autograph is that. I don't understand.
My collection of 1 is complete from the Tour du Suisse when I met and chatted at a mid stage sprint point with Ferdi Kubler. He signed one of his racing photo's (to me personally) because I mentioned him and Geminiani plus Fausto being great friends as he gave an insight into their joking about.

With the Texan causing so much USA interest and the roads getting cluttered up with motorhomes and English speakers that I gave up the TDF and went regularly to the Dauphine and Tour du Suisse then the third week in the Italian Alps/Dolomites or the Auto Strada - Como - Milan  - Venice then back through Cortina.
The riders village as you say is so much more relaxed until the ASO took over the Dauphine.

Biosphere wrote:

McQuaid was standing right beside me when I was taking this, but when Contador continued towards us he had the the look of a man staring off into infinity trying to pretend he doesn't see what's under his nose.

This intrigued me that McDuff didn't have the dagger ready to twist in him a bit more.
gerry12ie

FF - I'm afraid that given the outrageously high early expectations surrounding the young EBH the tag 'nearly man' isn't totally unwarranted.  The 'next Merckx' tag was of course totally unfair but there is a huge difference between what should have been and what is:

GTs - Does he look like a likely Gt winner?  Absolutely not.  A points jersey winner?  No, at least not at Sky.

Classics - Gent Wevelgem 4 years ago is scant reward for a rider that looked set to dominate like few others.  He looks further away then ever from a win in a Monument and snorting volcano dust is hardly suitable training for pave and bergs.

Stage races - Nope

If he is to fulfill any of his promise he needs away from Sky who are probably happy enough to have a high-profile stage hunter.
Boogerd_Fan

so Slagter will fight tooth & nail to keep the white jersey?

That lasted a day. If blanco are on the juice, it can only be of the strong orange squash variety.
Biosphere

mr shifter wrote:
Whose autograph is that. . . .

Well it's just a throw away comment following on from last week when you were commenting on the Little Prince - although you did have a more affectionate name Wink

Biosphere wrote:
McQuaid was standing right beside me when I was taking this, but when Contador continued towards us he had the the look of a man staring off into infinity trying to pretend he doesn't see what's under his nose.

mr shifter wrote:
This intrigued me that McDuff didn't have the dagger ready to twist in him a bit more.


I'm not sure I follow this. I think the riders 'village' is probably not the place for an impromptu Shakespeare performance and I'm not even sure if it's a tragedy or farce. As an aside, I see I wasn't very clear in what I wrote - to my mind Contador was blanking McQuaid.
Fontfroide

gerry12ie wrote:
FF - I'm afraid that given the outrageously high early expectations surrounding the young EBH the tag 'nearly man' isn't totally unwarranted.  The 'next Merckx' tag was of course totally unfair but there is a huge difference between what should have been and what is:

GTs - Does he look like a likely Gt winner?  Absolutely not.  A points jersey winner?  No, at least not at Sky.

Classics - Gent Wevelgem 4 years ago is scant reward for a rider that looked set to dominate like few others.  He looks further away then ever from a win in a Monument and snorting volcano dust is hardly suitable training for pave and bergs.

Stage races - Nope

If he is to fulfill any of his promise he needs away from Sky who are probably happy enough to have a high-profile stage hunter.


Sadly, I am beginning to agree.  If one had highest expectations, then he is a bit of a flop.  If one had modest ones, he is not that bad.  It would be good to see what happens if he leaves Sky.
Biosphere

Provisional standings at the moment. T Martin obviously feeling a bit better. Had wondered how Castroviejo would go as all of Movistar seem to be time triallers par excellence this year

1 Tony Martin (Omega Pharma-QuickStep) 00:36:55
2 Jonathan Castroviejo (Movistar) 00:38:02
3 Jan Barta (NetApp-Endura) 00:38:30
4 Marco Pinotti (BMC) 00:38:33
5 Thomas De Gendt (Vacansoleil-DCM) 00:39:20
Biosphere

Most are on the road now . . .
Biosphere

Contador 34th at first intermediate compared to Froome's 3rd - about 40s difference.
Biosphere

At second intermediate Contador drops to 50th,  Froome holds 3rd and their gap is 1:40.
Bartali

So what makes one of the finest ITT men of his generation look like a chump?  I don't get it?
Biosphere

I think it's questionable that Contador was one of the finest naturally. He's nothing special post ban. It's not just Froome making him look ordinary today.

The Froome question is a different one Smile Did he ride with the oval rings last year or is that another trick he nicked from Wiggins?
gerry12ie

Is that 5 riders in the Top 10 for Sky?  Contador has certainly lost his TT mojo for sure - big style.
mazda

4 Sky in top 10, including EBH.
GC already a 3 horse race between Froome, Porte and Kwiatkowski unless someone like De Gendt can cause some trouble.

Talansky must be feeling better, he finished 30 seconds ahead of AC.
mazda

So, what can Dennis do ?
He was 11th up Mt Diablo and 3rd in the TT the day before (with the finishing climb).
But no other climbing of note that I can see.
gerry12ie

Same goes for Kwiatkowski.  Did well at T-A but nothing of note on the real high stuff.  Will Froome let Porte take this one?
mazda

His Prato di Tivo form would be good enough, more or less.
Ok, he struggles on the REALLY steep stuff - Mirador del Sol.
But the Dauphin doesn't have really steep stuff, does it ?

He seems like an all rounder that can climb, rather than a climber.

On that basis he won't outclimb Froome.
HuwB

Becoming a vegetarian has really effected Contador's form.
Actually cause for a bit of optimism, given what's been filtering
out of the Giro.

Martin seems to have been more sandbag than stomach.
 Sky must be well pleased, given that Kiriyenka will soon be
going in his usual way.
Boogerd_Fan

A nice post on the clinic about different riders reacting to the "new gear" of choice better than some other riders... could explain why some of the champions of yesteryear are looking so "normal" vs. riders from the same generation who are now going so well comparatively.
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
I think it's questionable that Contador was one of the finest naturally. He's nothing special post ban.


Perhaps ... but I remember a lot of push back on this forum a few years ago when I suggested a man of his build shouldn't be able to ITT.  I think it was Kathy or BG who noted he was a good TTer as a junior.

I do't even want to think about Froome.  Talk about Vini Farnesse, Froome is the least credible rider I've ever seen!!!
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
I think it's questionable that Contador was one of the finest naturally. He's nothing special post ban.


Perhaps ... but I remember a lot of push back on this forum a few years ago when I suggested a man of his build shouldn't be able to ITT.  I think it was Kathy or BG who noted he was a good TTer as a junior.

I do't even want to think about Froome.  Talk about Vini Farnesse, Froome is the least credible rider I've ever seen!!!


Well in Contador's defence he's claiming pollen allergies for today.

The thing with Froome is that Sky had 4 in the top 10 today, and I just don't get the feeling that there's something that institutional going on there. They have been beatable this year. But then there have been remarkable transformations . . .
kathy

Contador was an excellent TTer as a junior.
gerry12ie

Yes, his TT form was there right from the start - U23 national champion in 2002 (he was 19) and his first pro win was the TT in Tour of Poland and apart from the occasional off day he has been a very consistent tester throughout.  

Since the ban he has become a lot more erratic against the clock though, and by and large those stinging attacks seem to look a bit weaker.  He has a lot of improving to do before the Tour to stand any real chance...
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:

Well in Contador's defence he's claiming pollen allergies for today.

Tony Rominger all over again except he had it throughout his career.
Then the magic spray did let him race in the summer.
His wins in the Vuelta came in early May when that race was run. ?
Biosphere

Just over 25km to go. Garmin reeling in the break, with Movistar the most prominent of the others.
gerry12ie

Froome is smashing everything just like... Armstrong used to!!
ventoux

gerry12ie wrote:
Froome is smashing everything just like... Armstrong used to!!


Yes, but we know now that Armstrong was juiced, whereas Froome.... oh  Embarassed
gerry12ie

See you in the Clinic in 5 Wink
ventoux

gerry12ie wrote:
See you in the Clinic in 5 Wink
Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
kathy

I thought that was quite an exciting end to the stage.  Froome seems to be able to outpace all his 'superdomestiques' with ease, so we might be in for a very interesting Tour if he and Contador decide to attack each other!
HuwB

gerry12ie wrote:
Froome is smashing everything just like... Armstrong used to!!


By a whole 4 seconds on a so called hors cat climb.
Gawd, that was boring.
Hate the Sky mountain train thing. It's a slow motion version of the USPS train.
Took forever just to crack young trackie convert Rohan Dennis.
Though at one point, Valverde was going to do it, "old style", but I guess we'll
have to wait for Nairo Qunitana to return from his 2 month..........er.........sabbatical, in deepest, darkest Colombia.

At least Bertie's climbing legs haven't completely fallen off.
That honour went to my inspired FP of Pierre (July) Rolland.
Slapshot 3

Bartali wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
I think it's questionable that Contador was one of the finest naturally. He's nothing special post ban.


Perhaps ... but I remember a lot of push back on this forum a few years ago when I suggested a man of his build shouldn't be able to ITT.  I think it was Kathy or BG who noted he was a good TTer as a junior.

I do't even want to think about Froome.  Talk about Vini Farnesse, Froome is the least credible rider I've ever seen!!!


It's what first brought him to my attention, better today and as has been talked about everywhere, he at the Dauphine to find some form, allegedly Froome is at the top of his.

Good wee stage today*, felt sorry for Rohan Dennis when he cracked but what the chuff was he doing on the big ring on the steeper slopes????

Had some good conversation on Twitter about Sky....think I upset a few folk with my lack of conviction about UK Postal

*NB that's the third bit of cycling I've seen this year...it was good!!!
gerry12ie

Break has 2 mins with 50k left.  My obvious breakaway pick Seeldrayers is in the break along with some decent names - Voeckler, Herrada, De Gendt, Nieve but I can't see it sticking...
gerry12ie

That looks like gorgeous cycling country!
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
That looks like gorgeous cycling country!


A tad reminiscent of my morning Smile

Break with <2 mins and <40km. Little chance. Time for Voeckler solo soon?
gerry12ie

The pendulum is swinging back to the four - 1'18" with 8k.  Can Astana mess this up?
gerry12ie

Yes they can!  Third and fourth out of four... Voeckler wins.
Biosphere

I thought it would be Lopez as he was playing it the coolest and just sitting on the back when the games started.
mr shifter

gerry12ie wrote:
The pendulum is swinging back to the four - 1'18" with 8k.  Can Astana mess this up?
With Tony Martin on the front the gap came down to 1' 03" then it started to get bigger as I realised Martin had dropped back and then the camera (and Kirby) showed him off the back. No one else strong enough but hey, SKY came to the front and still made no impression as they went under the Ring road (E87) it was all over for the first 4 places.

This finish today used to be (quite often) the the final day of the Dauphine Libre as Grenoble is the center of the Dauphine country.

I can't make out why Stewy O'Grady keeps popping into mind on this run in.
I know he won a TDF stage into Genoble but on different roads.
mr shifter

gerry12ie wrote:
That looks like gorgeous cycling country!

It is and I've ridden the foothills towards Chambery and returned along the valley road. (err, wasn't fit enough to stay up there for the return)
HuwB

Enjoyed that stage far more than yesterday.
Astanarama! What was that?
Dumber than a bag of spanners.
Voeckler the quickest, as per usual the freshest, cos he always does the minimum work on the front.
Some effort to get the last 2 spots out of 4. Embarassed

Seeing that all the sprinters were gone, I wonder what EBH feels about the total lack of commitment to bring back one minute?
mr shifter

Stage 7 today (at the moment) is N85 Route Napoleon until they turn off with only 22 Km's to go.
So looking good for the Break. ??
Maybe not as SKY have reduced the gap to 2' 30""
Biosphere

mr shifter wrote:

So looking good for the Break. ??


Not when Kiryienka is pulling
Biosphere

Today's Spanish experiment is to attack the Blue Train with 15km to go.
Bartali

This won't work out well for samu ...
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
This won't work out well for samu ...


You sure? Wink
HuwB

Very odd sort of mountain stage where Stef Clement makes the elite selection.
Odd sort of a mountain stage that has Contador serving Mick Rogers.
Odd, but not hugely entertaining, with the GC battle seemingly over but for minor adjustments.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
. . . Odd sort of a mountain stage that has Contador serving Mick Rogers . . .


It had novelty value. Confused me at first. Then an ex Contador domestique put the hurt on in the last km and dropped him too.
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
Bartali wrote:
This won't work out well for samu ...


You sure? Wink


Shows what I know! Smile Smile  Chapeau Samu!
Biosphere

Quite a few climbing off at the feed zone: including Hushovd, Chavanel, De Gendt, . . . .
phildange

Very hard weather conditions . Froome doesn't like that at all . Is a surprise possible ? Anyway some big guns will hope a stage victory, and there can be some fights to grab a higher ranking in the top 10 of the GC .
Contador may wish the stage . Rogers can aim the second rank before Porte or more if Froome meets a failure . For now, Valverde definitely  wants the stage victory .
Biosphere

Froome went OK in bad conditions in Romandie when the stage was altered, so it's not a given that he might struggle here. Will be interesting on the final climb.
gerry12ie

If anyone deserves a stage win out of this its Wellens
phildange

Yes Wellens fought hard for that today . I keep wondering if Contafor hadn't fallen in the descent because of a Cofidis guy, maybe him and Rodgers would have attacked in the descent to weaken Sky Inc., and try everything in the climb for the stage and for the GC .
One can dream sometimes, because the big thrills have gone away in these years .
Speaking about who deserves the win, De Marchi is rather obnoxious, 2 days in a row.
Right now, Conti had to stop his attack because of Rogers' failure !
gerry12ie

phildange wrote:
Yes Wellens fought hard for that today . I keep wondering if Contafor hadn't fallen in the descent because of a Cofidis guy, maybe him and Rodgers would have attacked in the descent to weaken Sky Inc., and try everything in the climb for the stage and for the GC .
One can dream sometimes, because the big thrills have gone away in these years .


Ain't that the truth!
gerry12ie

Chapeau for de Marchi who held Sky off.  Froome could have taken it but in fairness did everything to give Porte the win, although Talansky got up for third.  The Sky A-team with Kiryienka and Porte in support of Froome looks just about unbeatable at the moment.  I can't recall seeing a rider develop like Froome in such a short space of time (apart from the obvious).

A couple of years ago I was in a cafe in Tuscany and Froome and another Sky rider pulled over for a coffee stop.  He certainly didn't look like the best bike rider on the planet back then but I can't figure out who the other Sky rider was.  He had a Millwall tattoo on his leg though, any ideas?
HuwB

Just finished this and now off to Switzerland.

Wellens: Belgium's version of Steffano Pirazzi. Wink
So glad Sky didn't nick that from de Marchi.
Did Talansky take a tow from a motorbike?
Talking of which, I thought Sky were riding everybody into the distance,
which raised an eyebrow.
As does Astana who seem able to turn any old sow's ear into a silk purse.

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