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Biosphere

Critérium du Dauphiné: 7th - 14th June 2015

Profiles and start list are in the usual place and awaiting our collective wisdom.

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/about5254.html
Mrs John Murphy

Always useful to whack up the profiles:


Stage 1


Stage 2


Stage 3


Stage 4


Stage 5


Stage 6


Stage 7


Stage 8


I like DL but it hasn't been much of a race in recent years, more of 'testing' ground
Mrs John Murphy

After stage 1:


KENNAUGH Peter
14 TEAM SKY 03h 06' 41''
2.  
MODOLO Sacha
143 LAMPRE - MERIDA 03h 06' 47'' +00' 06''
3.  
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald
191 MTN-QHUBEKA 03h 06' 49'' +00' 08''
4.  
BENOOT Tiesj
62 LOTTO-SOUDAL 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''
5.  
GERRANS Simon
51 ORICA GREENEDGE 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''
6.  
BOUHANNI Nacer
162 COFIDIS, SOLUTIONS CREDITS 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''

8.  
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro
71 MOVISTAR TEAM 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''

16.  
FROOME Christopher
11 TEAM SKY 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''
17.  
GALLOPIN Tony
61 LOTTO-SOUDAL 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''

20.  
COSTA Rui Alberto
141 LAMPRE - MERIDA 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''
21.  
NAVARDAUSKAS Ramunas
7 TEAM CANNONDALE-GARMIN 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''

28.  
MARTIN Tony
104 ETIXX-QUICK STEP 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''

31.  
ROCHE Nicolas
16 TEAM SKY 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''
32.  
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka
77 MOVISTAR TEAM 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''

34.  
KISERLOVSKI Robert
123 TINKOFF-SAXO 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''
35.  
BARDET Romain
41 AG2R LA MONDIALE 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''

42.  
NIBALI Vincenzo
21 ASTANA PRO TEAM 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''

54.  
TALANSKY Andrew
1 TEAM CANNONDALE-GARMIN 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''

63.  
MARTIN Daniel
6 TEAM CANNONDALE-GARMIN 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''
64.  
MOLLEMA Bauke
111 TREK FACTORY RACING 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''
65.  
YATES Simon
58 ORICA GREENEDGE 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''

69.  
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
91 BMC RACING TEAM 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''

73.  
PÉRAUD Jean-Christophe
45 AG2R LA MONDIALE 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''

77.  
ROLLAND Pierre
151 TEAM EUROPCAR 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''
'
93.  
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin
81 TEAM KATUSHA 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''

95.  
INTXAUSTI ELORRIAGA Benat
76 MOVISTAR TEAM 03h 06' 53'' +00' 12''
Fontfroide

Goodness, is that my long lost losing sprinter pick EBH in third place.  What a surprise!  Could he be making a minor comeback?

Kennaugh did a tiny interview, in which claimed that these days you just never know in cycling.  Should have been a sprint for the win and it was not.  I suppose in the Tour the escape simply will NOT be let loose.  But in the Giro it seemed that the teams were simply not strong enough or smart enough to catch the escape fairly often.  Maybe things have changed a bit.  Kennaugh said he didn't think he would be allowed to win.
Boogerd_Fan

do they have 9 riders in a team @ dauphine? I assume it's less, and therefore easier to stay out there a bit longer.
Nolte

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
do they have 9 riders in a team @ dauphine? I assume it's less, and therefore easier to stay out there a bit longer.


i'm thinking 8
HuwB

Yes it's 8 man teams.
I enjoyed that when I eventually got around to seeing it.
Wasn't expecting such a close run finish on that circuit.

Hadn't realised (but should have) that ITV 4 have live coverage of the race.
In fact, theirs looks far more extensive than Eurosports.
Good to get top racing outside the TDF on free uktv.
mazda

Are all those small lakes around Villars-l-D natural or man-made ?
Nolte

HuwB wrote:
Yes it's 8 man teams.
I enjoyed that when I eventually got around to seeing it.
Wasn't expecting such a close run finish on that circuit.

Hadn't realised (but should have) that ITV 4 have live coverage of the race.
In fact, theirs looks far more extensive than Eurosports.
Good to get top racing outside the TDF on free uktv.


thanks huw, i hadn't realised it was on itv4
HuwB

mazda wrote:
Are all those small lakes around Villars-l-D natural or man-made ?


Natural, I think.
A messy final km and sprint so no surprise who won.
Lucky there wasn't a mass pile up with Cofidis riders trying to muscle in on the OGE train.
Bouhanni by far the fastest in the final 200m.
Mrs John Murphy

BMC win the TTT from Astana. Skybots 6th and lose the MJ to BMC.
HuwB

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
BMC win the TTT from Astana. Skybots 6th and lose the MJ to BMC.


The now usual suspects ahead of Etix and OGE's second string.
Dennis into yellow. Possible a better bet to hold onto it longer than TJVG.
Mrs John Murphy

This is almost the race of the nearly-men - Talansky, TJVJ, Mollema.

LOL. I just saw that 100 year old Popovych is riding. Is that even allowed? Nice to see a reminder of the old days in the new cycling.
Nolte

This team time trial hasn't boded well for teams for the tour de france team time trial, remember it will come on the ninth stage and so legs are going to be a bit more tired, a bit more sore from crashes and you may have lost a couple more riders at the stage.

Sky and cannondale both having to drag fifth men home for the finish.
gerry12ie

I didn't realise the TDF TTT was so late on in the race.  Wasn't there a rule that a TTT had to be in the first three or four days or am I imagining it?  What about the usual craic of riders getting wiped out in the first week crashes, and the impact that will have on the TTT?

In 2012 Euskaltel had lost 4 riders by stage 9, with Garmin and Movistar both losing 3.  I might have to change my stance on TTT's in this case...
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
I didn't realise the TDF TTT was so late on in the race.  Wasn't there a rule that a TTT had to be in the first three or four days or am I imagining it?  What about the usual craic of riders getting wiped out in the first week crashes, and the impact that will have on the TTT?


You're right, there are rules for exactly the reasons you outline and ASO asked for them to be waived. Of course the powers that be said No! Rules are Rules and we must stick with them! Otherwise imagine what might happen if a GC oriented Chinaman high up on GC punctured and he didn't have a sprint oriented Chinaman nearby for a quick release wheel change. It would distort the GC Wink
gerry12ie

And why wasn't I told about this sooner?  Three weeks is hardly enough time to get proper shirty... Wink
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
And why wasn't I told about this sooner?  Three weeks is hardly enough time to get proper shirty... Wink


But you get an extra week to play with since it's not until Stage 9. With the right preparation you should be able to peak nicely.

Personally, I think I'm going to be able to hold onto my Giro indignation all the way to the Tour - screw what the form book says Wink
Mrs John Murphy

What happens if a team only has say 4 riders left by stage 9?
Fontfroide

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
What happens if a team only has say 4 riders left by stage 9?


I think there is meant to be a publicly televised auction, the evening before the TTT, where teams with more than five riders can rent any of their team members to a team without sufficient riders.  Just for one day.  They must change jerseys, but can ride their own bike.  Any prize money that is earned on that day must revert to the original team, as will the riders after the TTT.  The team who has bought the riders must negotiate with their insurance coverage to take account of the new rider and make certain he is covered in case of accident.  I could be wrong.
Biosphere

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
What happens if a team only has say 4 riders left by stage 9?


They will do the equivalent of uncontested scrums in rugby?
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
And why wasn't I told about this sooner?  Three weeks is hardly enough time to get proper shirty... Wink


But you get an extra week to play with since it's not until Stage 9. With the right preparation you should be able to peak nicely.

Personally, I think I'm going to be able to hold onto my Giro indignation all the way to the Tour - screw what the form book says Wink


Me too.
Indignation is way easier to hold onto than Astana wheels.

One has to to love the way the UCI's inflexible rules become oh so flexible when $$$ are involved.
Maybe they'll allow 4 man teams to use the team car as their 5th man. Wink
mazda

The solution is quite simple.
Ride the course as a team, but every rider takes their own time across the line.
Would make it quite a tactical event.
mazda

Keizer and Van der Sande allegedly still 5' ahead with 30km to go.
mazda

Gap tumbling.
Have to see if they have anything left after the Cat 4.
Or indeed whether there will be attacks.
HuwB

Very good final 12kms, but with the inevitable finish.
Nuclear Nasser with ease.
And Mezgec final gets a placing cos I swapped him out for the Pocket Rocket.
mazda

Yes, a very lively finish.
EBH placed again.

That's the end of the flat stages, now for 4 successive uphill finishes.
Biosphere

I did enjoy that. I didn't think the inevitable finish was inevitable until close to the end. Vangenechten had a nice bit of speed too.

Liked the spread of ethnicities on the podium. The right type of globalisation.

Very impressive geology in Sisteron too - the way the seam/ridge towers over the town is striking.
Nolte

mazda wrote:
Yes, a very lively finish.
EBH placed again.

That's the end of the flat stages, now for 4 successive uphill finishes.


ah excellent

and i am away tomorrow until sometime friday Sad
HuwB

The Tour dress rehearsal, today:
gerry12ie

Pra Loup



"Merckx is beaten. The Bastille has fallen"
mazda

Looks like Alaphilippe is struggling.
Bartali

This ks like watching Astana in the Giro Wink
mazda

Mollema, Dennis and Peraud also dropped
mazda

Bardet edging towards a minute lead.
Fontfroide

Allez Romain.  Although Jalabert is not convinced he has enough of a lead to win the stage.  I guess in the Tour we will also see a bit of attacking on Allos.  Although this following cautiously behind the Sky team will surely not be all there is to the descent.   That descent during the Tour should make really good TV.  

Anyway, I am glad Romain added a bit of interest to the stage, even though there will surely be some very fine racing in the last 6k.

Have to say the scenery was truly wonderful.  I wanted to beam myself and my bike there with a knee that works well, and twenty less years.
Fontfroide

Looking for a BIT of action behind.
Fontfroide

Looking for a BIT of action behind.  Both Rui Costa and Valverde dropped.  Bardet still on the big ring.  BIG ring!
mazda

14:51 Nibali gives up - their words, not mine !
Fontfroide

Bardet looked well wasted.  Tejay beating Froome.  Maybe I should have stuck with him.  Not a bad bit of racing today, bit of suspense two attacks.  Looking forward to the next few days.
HuwB

I hope that the Tour stage is as good as that.
Demon descending from Bardet.
Froome still struggling to recapture his 2013 form and the usual suspect apparently reluctant to show anything before July.
Mrs John Murphy

The problem with the ITV coverage is all the fucking adverts for 'injuries lawyers', loan shark companies and bingo.
Bartali

I was surprised that Froome didn't really nail it, though to be fair he did blow everyone away apart from TJVG.

Nibs will be fine when he needs to be ...
Biosphere

That was a crazy looking descent. I could see it being problematical next month.

At least Froome is up there showing form at the front of the race even if he's not blowing people away. It's others that will be on a different level in a month's time that you've got to worry about Wink
Biosphere

Panache
by Nibali

Mrs John Murphy

Vroome is just calibrating the power meter so that he can ride on it in July.

'Don't watch the road Froomey, eyes on the power meter'
Bartali

Doh ... only just switched on.  I'll have to watch the highlights later to catch the panache ... Smile
Bartali

I remember riding this road in 1987.  Seems like a lifetime ago ....
Bartali

Go on Nibs ... smash it!!!!
gerry12ie

Bartali coming on all Richard Keys like...


maffy

Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
Bartali coming on all Richard Keys like...




Brilliant .... I'm going to have that printed out really big and hung up in the Great Hall Wink
Mrs John Murphy

Interesting
HuwB

Chapeau to the real racers of this world, for turning this race on it's head.
Awful conditions, used to their full advantage.
Well done to Simon Yates and Dan Martin for not sitting in the sheep group.
Thumbs down to the general lack of cooperation, in said group.
TJVG's solo'd for so long and still only ceded the smallest of time gaps, to just the off colour Froome.
Two seconds gained there, but over 2 minutes lost up the road.

Not sure if there is a long enough road to pull these gaps back, but a real warning shot for the Tour has been fired by the perceived default Tour champion.

Oh and Bardet struck down, my KOD powers are strong, this season.
Nolte

I wondered where cyclingnews had came up with the awful headline that rui alberto faria da costa "had turned by the clock"

it is what carlton kirby had said when he crossed the line Sad
Slapshot 3

Nolte wrote:
I wondered where cyclingnews had came up with the awful headline that rui alberto faria da costa "had turned by the clock"

it is what carlton kirby had said when he crossed the line Sad


After the Giro commentary we had on Eurosport, I'd forgotten just HOW FECKIN BAD Carlton really is.......
Nolte

Maybe navarro could do it today but i don't think 3 minutes is enough.
HuwB

Another very, very enjoyable stage.
Turning out to be the best stage race of the year.
Nicely set up for tomorrow.
In effect, Froome needs his team to hold the break, then take at least 14 seconds out of TJ again.
There's a km out tough gradient, just where it counts.
On the other hand, it's hard to forget what happened in last year's final stage.
The roads don't favour a repeat, however.
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:

Turning out to be the best stage race of the year.


I do agree about that, although of course I hope that there will be one or two more as good, ever the optimist.  Each day in these hills has been revealing and unpredictable.  Mind you, I am not sure exactly what it reveals, except that we have quite a packet of very very good riders on the flat and in the hills at the moment.  Young and old.  Anyone seems capable of beating anyone else on a given day.  Can't quite remember a time like this, although my memory is fading year by year.  Wink
Fontfroide

Tomorrow, I reckon (in my usual imaginative and not very accurate way) that Talansky and Martin are going to team up with Bardet and Vuillermoz and blow the race apart.

I just LOVE making up scenarios, which are such fun that even though they are seldom "true", they are a wonderful way to waste a load of time.

Too bad Martin punctured at just the wrong time.  I think he is very fit for three weeks before the Tour.
Boogerd_Fan

Got to hand it to ASO for making a very balanced route for these mountain stages...

1x shallow grade 6% at Pra Loup which favoured TJ
1x up and down that benefited from the conditions favouring opportunists Nibali & Costa
1x pure MTF which Froome ripped apart today.
mr shifter

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Got to hand it to ASO for making a very balanced route for these mountain stages...

1x shallow grade 6% at Pra Loup which favoured TJ
1x up and down that benefited from the conditions favouring opportunists Nibali & Costa
1x pure MTF which Froome ripped apart today.
Change from the previous organisers who regularly came along the foothills to finish in Grenoble.
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Got to hand it to ASO for making a very balanced route for these mountain stages...

1x shallow grade 6% at Pra Loup which favoured TJ
1x up and down that benefited from the conditions favouring opportunists Nibali & Costa
1x pure MTF which Froome ripped apart today.


I'm impressed they had the nerve to go with 4 days in the mountains for a 1 week race. Throwing in a bit of TdF previews maybe pulls those back in that might have thought it was a tough race in June when the prize is in July. The shoelaces are at 50km to go today so we might not even get coverage but it's a late start today so that works towards seeing a decent amount live.
Mrs John Murphy

Froome looking Landa-esque.
HuwB

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Froome looking Landa-esque.


Really? I've been a bit underwhelmed by his form.
The only real flash on vintage 2013 Dawg was yesterday, but he's still a ways short, imo.

A pity that live coverage is unlikely (outside chance) to be up and running in time to catch this:


Especially as the weather today is more than a bit unpredictable.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
. . . A pity that live coverage is unlikely (outside chance) to be up and running in time to catch this:. . .


I'm kinda hoping that they'll treat it as a set piece that they should be covering. No that I be watching live anyway Rolling Eyes

Since Van Garderen is staying fairly close to Froome, his current form is not on par with his previous peaks. He does look more like the 2013 version rather than the even more awkward than usual 2014 version though. Probably moving in the right direction.
Mrs John Murphy

I was talking about yesterday. Lets be honest this week is 'tune up your doping programme week'.

Has anyone done Vroome's power numbers from yesterday?
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Really? I've been a bit underwhelmed by his form.


Agreed ... who knows what will happen come July, but that Froome struggles to gap TJVG is telling. Maybe TJVG has grown stature or is targeting this race? That said, I take some comfort that the natural order of peaking for individual races has been restored.  I've never been convinced by the ability of some riders to dominate in every race from the Tour Down Under through to the Vuelta ... its just not natural.  Rolling Eyes
Biosphere

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
. . .  Lets be honest this week is 'tune up your doping programme week'. . .


OK, but building towards a peak (naturally or otherwise) is not a description that fits the Giro Landa Smile
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Really? I've been a bit underwhelmed by his form.


Agreed ... who knows what will happen come July, but that Froome struggles to gap TJVG is telling. Maybe TJVG has grown stature or is targeting this race? That said, I take some comfort that the natural order of peaking for individual races has been restored.  I've never been convinced by the ability of some riders to dominate in every race from the Tour Down Under through to the Vuelta ... its just not natural.  Rolling Eyes


A return to the way Armstrong used to peak for one individual race you mean? Shocked

The bit from Kimmage's Rough Rider that still resonates with me was his description of certain riders being dropped as soon as the road went up,
one week, only to go flying up the road the next.
At least riders who have constant form can't be racing a pint short.
Mrs John Murphy

Was Landa looking Froome-esque then? Smile
HuwB

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Was Landa looking Froome-esque then? Smile


I thought more Robo Basso circa 2006.
gerry12ie

For one stupid reason or another I haven't seen even 5 mins of highlights of this race.  Now that I am ready to watch, Eurosport are running with Ice Cottaging or something and ITV4 geo-restrict certain programmes on my UPS package and this, naturally, is one of them.

Any streaming options?  Steephill's aren't any use...
gerry12ie

OK ES have come to the party and Der Panzerwagon is doing his thing
HuwB

French tv totally screw up the live coverage by arriving just as the peloton get off the climb that they were supposed to be showcasing.
gerry12ie

Did Kirby really just say 'Chris Froome is taking a big drink of vision'?
Slapshot 3

gerry12ie wrote:
Did Kirby really just say 'Chris Froome is taking a big drink of vision'?


Only slightly better than his shrinking manhood comments by the lake in the valley floor!!!  puker  puker  puker
Biosphere

Between bonus seconds and TTTs it was all very tight. Froome celebrates like my 5 year old playing with his T-shirt and saying "Look at my boobies" Smile
HuwB

Nibali basically torpedoed TJVG with that stint.
He might just have stayed in touch if it had been down to Poels.
Cracking race, just about every day. Certainly all the hilly stages.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:

A return to the way Armstrong used to peak for one individual race you mean? Shocked


That's not what I mean.  I mean athletes in most sports (including cycling) have historically aimed to peak once or twice a year.  The concept of a rider maintaining peak power from February to September is a relatively new thing as far as I can tell.  Even in the 'old' days where riders rode much more they would target certain events ... not maintain peak form throughout the year.  But you know all this Huw ...
Mrs John Murphy

Unless you were Merckx Smile
Bartali

I don't think even Merckx rode at peak throughout the year.  For the record, it is not the ability to win throughout the year I find strange ... its the ability to put out the same numbers throughout the year.
Mrs John Murphy

The BBC are making such a mess in their pants about Vroome that anyone would think he was the second coming of Merckx, (rather than the second coming of Armstrong).
ventoux

gerry12ie wrote:

Any streaming options?  Steephill's aren't any use...


Too late for today, Gerry, but I can usually find something on 12th Player

http://www.12thplayer.com/live-sports.php

Most often it's a Eurosport feed.....

I can watch ITV 4 online, using a VPN (you can get Hola on  PC for free...)

Good luck!
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
I don't think even Merckx rode at peak throughout the year.  For the record, it is not the ability to win throughout the year I find strange ... its the ability to put out the same numbers throughout the year.


I was trying to think when did Froome last win something and I was thinking maybe he got a stage at Romandie this year, but having looked it up his last win at World Tour level was a pair of stages at last year's Dauphiné. I know that statistic hides a GT podium, but is he really putting out the same numbers all year?
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
I've never been convinced by the ability of some riders to dominate in every race from the Tour Down Under through to the Vuelta ... its just not natural.  Rolling Eyes


Who do you have in mind here, Bart?

I think the performance levels to which you refer are genuinely unreal!
Bartali

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Really? I've been a bit underwhelmed by his form.


That said, I take some comfort that the natural order of peaking for individual races has been restored.  I've never been convinced by the ability of some riders to dominate in every race from the Tour Down Under through to the Vuelta ... its just not natural.  Rolling Eyes


Bio / SR - Context emboldened

I'm saying that BW 2012 and CF 2013 looked 'odd' in my book.  I have no problem whatsoever with CF or Sky 2015 - that's my point.  Astana's Giro squad is the biggest 'surprise; of the year in my book and I suspect everyone else's!
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Really? I've been a bit underwhelmed by his form.


That said, I take some comfort that the natural order of peaking for individual races has been restored.  I've never been convinced by the ability of some riders to dominate in every race from the Tour Down Under through to the Vuelta ... its just not natural.  Rolling Eyes


Bio / SR - Context emboldened

I'm saying that BW 2012 and CF 2013 looked 'odd' in my book.  I have no problem whatsoever with CF or Sky 2015 - that's my point.  Astana's Giro squad is the biggest 'surprise; of the year in my book and I suspect everyone else's!


I did suspect it was those pair you were referring to but the September bit threw me.
Neither did squat after August 1st (Wiggins Olympic gold)

The only rider who was winning races from February through September at the same period was this guy:

http://www.procyclingstats.com/rider.php?id=140778&season=2012

Who I felt quite sure you weren't wishing to refer. Wink
Mrs John Murphy

Froome rode Feb to Oct in 2012

http://www.procyclingstats.com/rider.php?id=140869&season=2012

Nibs won in 2012:  Oman in Feb, TA in March, Podiums in April and July, won Padania in Sept.

Vroome 2013 won: Oman in Feb, podium in TA, won CI in March, Romandie in April, (DNR - May) won DI in June, won TDF in July, podium in WC TTT.

Froome was able to sustain form from Feb to July.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Who I felt quite sure you weren't wishing to refer. Wink
Indeed Smile

I was really making a positive point about the race and what I perceive to be the natural order of things rather than reopening the old arguments, but MJM's stats back up what my gut was telling me.  Nib's may have won races in the spring and autumn, but he wasn't dominating 1-3 week tours though out the year like Froome was doing in 2013.  Anyway ... it was just an observation about building form for July rather than winning every race entered from Feb through to July (other than the hiccup when out smarted by Nibali in TA).
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Who I felt quite sure you weren't wishing to refer. Wink
Indeed Smile

I was really making a positive point about the race and what I perceive to be the natural order of things rather than reopening the old arguments, but MJM's stats back up what my gut was telling me.  Nib's may have won races in the spring and autumn, but he wasn't dominating 1-3 week tours though out the year like Froome was doing in 2013.  Anyway ... it was just an observation about building form for July rather than winning every race entered from Feb through to July (other than the hiccup when out smarted by Nibali in TA).


Isn't there enough suspicious about Wiggo and Froome without needing to claim that they dominated races they weren't in or didn't actually win? Wiggo's winning run was quite something but lasted around half the length you implied and didn't include a Tour Vuelta double.
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
The BBC are making such a mess in their pants about Vroome that anyone would think he was the second coming of Merckx, (rather than the second coming of Armstrong).


Maybe I'm going through an even more pedantic phase than normal or I've missed the item that offended you, but I don't think the BBC are getting even remotely excited about Froome's win.

It was the third item on the 10 o'clock news last night after the football and cricket and by the 630am sports news on 5 Live today he'd been demoted to 4th behind the Stuttgart open tennis and merited a single sentence.

Even the BBC website didn't manage anything more enthusiastic than this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/33127651
Mrs John Murphy

Wiggins 2012: All Races and Results

Feb - 3rd Algarve
March - Won - PN
         - DNF - Catalunya
April - Won - Romandie
May - DNR
June - Won - DL
July - Won - TDF
August - Won - ITT - Olympics
            103 - RR - Olympics
Sept - DNF - TOB
      - DNF - WC RR

So between Feb and August, Wiggins' record was:

Raced - 8
Won - 5
Podium - 1
DNF - 1
Other - 1

With the exception of Cataluyna he won or placed every stage race he entered between Feb and August.

The race where he did not place was the Olympic RR when he was on Frodo babysitting duties.
Boogerd_Fan

What I find odd is that folks can come back from a month’s training and start winning immediately – my assumption is that the rider would need some adjustment time to assimilate back into the peloton/racing regime, if they have spent a month doing hill repeats on Mt. Teide.

Based on the documentaries, Wiggo’s dominance was planned by SKY to give him days in yellow and get comfortable with the role of not only team leader but race leader.
I’ve no reason to doubt this as a valid marginal gain. It’s the learning experience how to conduct yourself in the Yellow Jersey – and not to panic when put under pressure from other teams during races.

Bonus would have been the momentum factor going into that years Tour, considering how dominant SKY were through the spring.
mr shifter

Bartali wrote:


I'm saying that BW 2012 looked 'odd' in my book.  

I have no problem with that one, when one understands how single minded Wiggo can be.
In 2009 he rode up Andorra-Arcalis (Andorrri rde) and stayed with the main GC contenders and in the interview afterwards his comment was "they might now think of me as a Roadie and not just a Trackie".
I think from that moment on he realised that with complete dedication and SKY management support he might achieve his boyhood (and ours) dream of winning the TDF.
The next couple of years a dedicated group of riders were selected to train and perform (like another team from the USA had done) to control a stage race completely. (yeh, I didn't enjoy the boring tactics either)
February 2012 they start racing competively in Portugal and dominate the race with Richie Porte winning and Wiggo 3rd.
They then won Paris-Nice and every other stage race they entered, so they were ready for the TDF.

Nothing Odd in my book just grim determination.
Froome is the nominated rider to sit behind Wiggo as watchdog without any other responsibilities.
They perfected their team and won Paris-Nice and carried on winning through to the TDF. Boyhood Dream achieved - what next

Also in my book a top rider will have palmares of winning Paris-Nice or Tirreno-Adriatico and the TDF
Mrs John Murphy

Just as a side note about Merckx looking at his performances, he rode the spring classics and the GTs but no stage races and he rarely raced after the TDF. His season was Feb-July.

1970 is a rare year because he goes onto sept.

1970:

Month - pos - Race

Jan - 1 - Coppa Agostoni - Giro delle Brianze
Feb - 7 - Omloop Het Volk
Mar - 1 - PN
April - 1 - GW
       - 3 - RVV
       - 1 - PR
       - 3 - LBL
       - 1- FW
       - 8 - Amstel
May - 8 - Rund um den Henninger Turm
May/June   - 1 - Giro
June - 1 - Belgian National RR
Aug - DNR
Sept - 2 - Tre Valli Varesine
June/July    - 1- TDF

1972 he starts in Jan and finishes in Sept
1973 he starts in Feb and his last race was the Belgian National Championship RR in June.
mr shifter

Ref :  Eddy Merckx
Nice to see that in his final year 1977 he rode a full season collecting "Appearance Money" in many countries as he put on a professional show and sometimes winning.  Rolling Eyes
HuwB

Start of March to mid October:
http://www.procyclingstats.com/rider.php?id=154310&season=1985
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
With the exception of Cataluyna he won every stage race he entered between Feb and August.


Algarve was in Feb, I believe? So he only actually went unbeaten in stage races from April to July. If you omit exceptions and periods when not racing, you might just as well say that Wiggo is unbeaten in the Tour since 2010.

If one thinks laterally one could view 2012 for Wiggo as a build to a minor peak in March and April (Romandie finished 29th April) before building to a major peak in July.

I'm not sure that peaking in July after only 1 week of racing in the preceding 2 months is that hard to pull off. For the top guys, the one week stage races aren't a major drain on the body (no harder than a competitive training camp?) and are recovered from quite quickly.

Holding form from the Tour through the Olympic RR and to the TT is more suspicious to me, as holding form continuously for nearly 5 weeks strikes me as quite hard.
gerry12ie

Where does Quintana fit in to all this? Very Happy  Very Happy

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