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Element12

Contador's attack not part of Astana plan.

Here's Lance talking about the plan.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/c...rs-attack-not-part-of-astana-plan

For those of you who didn't know what the plan was.

Stage 7:
Armstrong wins, everyone else just shut-up and color. DNW

Previous plans...

Stage 1:
Go out early and pray for rain. DNW

Stage 3:
Astana team A uses Columbia HighRoad to drop Astana team B.  Works!


Stage 5:
See plan for Stage 3 but as GW always says "Fool me twice, err.  Won't get fooled again." DNW
Boogerd_Fan

arrogant w@nker.

i hope bert makes him eat dust on the ventoux. "oh it was windy so i didnt expect to dominate". lol
Element12



Do you think Contador can ride 62 klicks without Levi and Popy dragging Armstrong's carcase back up to him?
bianchigirl

Frankly, no.
Element12

bianchigirl wrote:
Frankly, no.


Shame.
bianchigirl

Unless Armstrong cracks big time - but you would think it would be worth a go from Contador because what does he have to lose? If he doesn't get away, well tant pis. If he gains only seconds it's still seconds. If he can crack Armstrong on the climb then he teaches him his lesson.

One thing today showed us is that Armstrong aint no Hinault
Mrs John Murphy

Dertie doesn't need to attack as he is the better TTer than Liestrong. What he has to watch out for are any attacks in the hotel afterwards.
Hommedesbois

Why are CN bothering to interview the old guy who finished 15th? What about the 14 who finished in front of him?

For fucks sake! I'm sick of this bollocks!
MAILLOT JAUNE

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
What he has to watch out for are any attacks in the hotel afterwards.


Laughing You should be on the stage (no pun intended) !
HuwB

Hommedesbois wrote:
Why are CN bothering to interview the old guy who finished 15th? What about the 14 who finished in front of him?

For fucks sake! I'm sick of this bollocks!


He sucks the life out of the media coverage. I think this is what pisses people off more than anything else.

All that only riding to help Contador and raising cancer awareness shit has been exposed for what it is.

As for JB. Once again, he confirms the meaning of the term hogwash.
Don't go near the CN forums. They will make you want to puke.
Boogerd_Fan

*waits for Paris, with the "alternative" podium, Armstrongs own mantle, attracting more media attention than the GC podium*
Element12

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Dertie doesn't need to attack as he is the better TTer than Liestrong. What he has to watch out for are any attacks in the hotel afterwards.


Well, after stage three Contador knows Armstrong will attack him any chance he gets.  That's why Alberto has been on Armstrong's ass like a Catholic priest on a choir boy ever since.

Astana probably did so well in the TTT trying to drop Contador.  I can imagine Armstrong looking back a dozen times or so thinking "F@ck,he's still there"
bianchigirl

On another forum I've actually seen someone posting that Armstrong could have crushed Contador but chose not to Rolling Eyes according to the fanboys Armstrong actually has the most extensive palmares in the world having won all the GCs and Classics at least once - the little matter of his never bothering to ride them seems to deter them not a wit.

I expect SR will promptly accuse me of spreading disinformation about his idol again for pointing out the inconvenient truth that he's never actually won any Monuments or GTs outside the Tour:roll:

MJM I actually think they wouldn't really dare risk an incident with Contador - they've done nothing to buy his loyalty, he doesn't need them and their team next season as he's tripping over the offers and he would be in a perfect position to expose them - he wouldn't cop a huge suspension himself (if any) but Contador speaking out against Boss Hog? Now that would be absolutely impossible for the fanboys to ignore.
SlowRower

BG,

Don't be foolish! I've had too much of a fine Shiraz  to take much nonsense tonight. Smile

Why would I accuse you of "disinformation" for stating a verifiable fact? It's the verifiable untruths that are disinformation and there's enough of them from you without me needing to bother making false claims! I'll leave that to you...Smile

One can be against blatantly untrue anti-Armstrong myths (such as attacking the MJ in 1999) without necessarily supporting equally untrue pro-Armstrong myths.

Rank stupidity is offensive to me irrespective of subject matter.  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad
Mrs John Murphy

Your constantly offending yourself then?

With your constant self-offence and constant self-abuse when Lance is on - it's a very self-involved life you lead.
cadence

Go USA, Go Lance……
CapeRoadie

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Dertie doesn't need to attack as he is the better TTer than Liestrong. What he has to watch out for are any attacks in the hotel afterwards.


Laughing

Will he be the better TTer in the 3rd week is the question, and will he have anything left for Ventoux?  

Please God give us a great attacking Ventoux stage and make us wait for the winner until that penultimate stage.
Mysterion

Just saw Frankie's interview with Johan this morning. Johan said they addressed the situation in the bus right before the stage and there was some tension then. The pot is boiling.
cyclingtv

what I saw.. if Contator didn't attack.. lance would still have not been in yellow..
so AC made the call to try to get yellow.. as lance was going to suck to the finish..

btw.. wouldn't AC know lance was unable to attack.. well.. he does..
so as the yellow was riding away up the road.. AC tried to go get it..
how can anyone blame AC for trying.. since lance isn't team leader..

found this tidbit of insight.. it's a good point..
MonkeyKnifeFight wrote:
The thing is that if AC does not gain time on LA and LA grabs the Yellow, what are the team "tactics" then? My guess is defend LA's Yellow to the exclusion of anyone else. AC did what he had to do. LA would have done the same thing back in his heyday.
was LA's plan once in yellow.. he's team leader.. end of discussion..
Natasha

cadence wrote:
Go USA, Go Lance……


Go USA, go Garmin...
Natasha

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Dertie doesn't need to attack as he is the better TTer than Liestrong. What he has to watch out for are any attacks in the hotel afterwards.


lmao..
smarauder68

We've seen Contador turn on some reasonable ITT's when there's a few hills and climbs involved...

I wonder how Contador will fare on a LONG and mostly flat ITT of 40km??? Can he generate enough power to sustain 55km per hour that Evans, Kloden and Armstrong have been able to accomplish?

If Contador loses ground to any of the top 5 contenders, it wouldn't shock me.
Bartali

Sm - he's Spanish ITT champion and has greatly improved his ITT in the last two years!
HuwB

Don't know, Scott. Hard to call.
Certainly one to suit all 4 Astana "heavies".
I'm very familiar with this route!
Starts in the pretty part of town and lakeside will be stunning.

First half is very straightforward, not at all technical.
Second half has a nasty little 3rd cat and decent, before the straight run to the finish.

Contador has made "Armstrong like" improvements in the ITT.
Of course, this stage is where he is likely to have a bike malfunction.... Rolling Eyes
Drongo

Also from Cyclismag:

Quote:
La croisière s'amuse

Dimanche soir dans l'avion qui transportait les coureurs de Tarbes à Limoges, Lance Armstrong a voyagé à côté de Johan Bruyneel (rang n°1) et Alberto Contador (rang n°1Cool à côté d'Andreas Klöden. Ce dernier a déclenché les hostilités en balançant une boulette de papier sur Christian Vande Velde.
Source : Le Parisien


http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=5157#ancre2

My French ain't so flash, but I think it means Armstrong and Bruyneel sat together in the front row of the plane taking the riders to Limoges, while Contador sat next to Klöden in the eighteenth row.

Oh, and Klöden started a fight by balancing bits of paper on CVV, I think.  Presumably on the same plane flight.  I have no idea how tongue in cheek or serious hostilities were.

************

The same page has the piece about Alonso's team next year, but I guess that has been covered by someone else.  Surely?
********
EDit:  It seems not.  Here's my best shot at a paraphrase:

F1 driver Alonso is trying to set up a professional cycling team around Contador.  He's a big cycling fan, cycled with Sastre in Monaco, and has convinced some personal sponsors to invest in cycling.  The Santander bank is mentioned in this regard.  Contador is enthusiastic about leading a Spanish team but is contracted to Astana 'til the end of 2010, but if Astana
collapses into a Vino-Astana and an Armstrong-Nike, that will help.

Quote:
Selon le quotidien Deia, le pilote de Formule 1, Fernando Alonso, essaie de monter une équipe cycliste professionnelle autour d'Alberto Contador (Astana). Grand fana de cyclisme, il s'est entrainé avec Carlos Sastre (Cervélo) cet hiver au Portugal et était présent au départ de Monaco. Alonso aurait convaincu un de ses sponsors personnel d'investir dans le cyclisme -le nom du puissant Banco Santander est avancé. Toujours selon la même source, Alberto Contador s'est montré enthousiaste à l'idée de devenir leader d'une équipe espagnole mais devra compter sur le fait qu'il est toujours lié par contrat avec Astana jusque fin 2010. La débandade de l'équipe Kazakhe : Vino chez Astana et Armstrong chez Nike pourrait servir ses desseins.
Source : Deia
mayofan

impossible to know from here wholl be the best in the TT. Probably contador, but 3rd week TTs are very hard to predict.

much slated (rightly) parcours...but thank god theyve put ventoux after the TT.
SlowRower

I wonder where the rest of the Astana mob were...

Presumably Levi was in an overhead locker, with Rast constantly getting detached from the last row of seats and drifting into the service trolleys.

Maybe Astana were late for checking in (like signing in) and couldn't get 10 seats together. Or maybe it was like RyanAir, with seats allocated on a first come first serve basis, and Armstrong "attacked" just as Bertie dropped his boarding pass at the gate, leaving Bertie off the back with too short a climb up the steps to make good his losses.

Things can't be too bad for Bertie though - at least he wasn't checked in as hold luggage.
Hommedesbois

Drongo -'balancer' is to toss or throw. They are just big kids really.

Also via Cyclismag from Radsport - 2 planes were needed for the riders. Cyclismag asked if one was for Armstrong, the other for the rest of the riders.
Drongo

Hommedesbois wrote:
Drongo -'balancer' is to toss or throw. They are just big kids really.

Also via Cyclismag from Radsport - 2 planes were needed for the riders. Cyclismag asked if one was for Armstrong, the other for the rest of the riders.


I spotted that last; cyclismag is quite cheeky at times.  I like that and would read it more, but my French is such that it can be a struggle.  On which note, thanks for the tip above!
Hommedesbois

A fairly useful French-English dictionary

http://www.wordreference.com/fren/

Cyclismag has some excellent stuff.

The bit today about Klöden being let off with a fine for instance and asking if the UCI and ASO may have a point of view. (Maybe that is another thread?)
HuwB

Drongo wrote:
Hommedesbois wrote:
Drongo -'balancer' is to toss or throw. They are just big kids really.

Also via Cyclismag from Radsport - 2 planes were needed for the riders. Cyclismag asked if one was for Armstrong, the other for the rest of the riders.


I spotted that last; cyclismag is quite cheeky at times.  I like that and would read it more, but my French is such that it can be a struggle.  On which note, thanks for the tip above!


How's your Flemish?
Here's Sporza's evidence on board "Flight of the Fat Phoenix".

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/vi...r/MG_vive_le_velo/2.6174/1.562486

Levi runs the show and Dave Zee with he's usual brand of humour.
JB guzzling on one nut. Wink
bianchigirl

Oh thank you very much - I've just had my tea and am now feeling distinctly nauseous Laughing
Hommedesbois

The riff-raff they allow on planes these days! He eats with his mouth open and talks while he eats!

At least he removed his baseball cap.

A real chav!
ventoux

Quote from Wiggins....

Quote:
Bradley Wiggins, who has ridden alongside Armstrong and Contador for the past few days, gave an interesting view of their rivalry yesterday. "I don't think anyone knows what's going to happen between those two," he said. "There could come a point at which they get off the bikes and start fighting each other. It could get as messy as that."


Now THAT would liven this dull tour up just a little, wouldn't it  Wink
mazda

Contador thinks it will be over before the ITT and Ventoux.

"From Colmar (stage 13 on Friday) onwards we have Verbiers. The time-trial and Mont Ventoux are also important, but I think the difference will have been made before."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/8148728.stm
Bartali

Ouch!  Fighting talk!

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