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ullrichfan

Barcelona F.C. - if it's too good to be true, it probably is

Ok, while we are all meant to throwing plaudits at the European Champion, am I the only one who didn't enjoy it?

I am amazed at the energy levels of these players.  And given what we know about Fuentes and judicial cover-ups, I am sure I know how they are achieving this.  I would certainly like to know their haematocrit levels.

To paraphrase Lemond, I think we watched "the greatest fraud" last night.
Mrs John Murphy

One set of dopers beating another set of dopers.  Man Utd are hardly a 'clean' team. It is up there with USP beating Telekom beating Kelme beating ONCE.

FIFA are the only organization to make the UCI seem honest and well run.
ullrichfan

I'm curious - what is your evidence on Man U?  I'm not saying I don't believe you - just wonder what you have heard.
Mrs John Murphy

Blood 'spinning' transfusing, HGH usage, EPO. The usual mix. Rooney is the poster boy for HGH usage.

I think it is commonly accepted that all teams do it. The richer the team the better the programme.

Chelsea are pretty well documented. You heard the story about Essien - one journalist who obviously didn't know what he was talking about described how Essien has so much energy he often has to go out for a run after games and at night.

Now, having to do more exercise in the middle of the night - what does that remind you of?
ullrichfan

Yes, I'd heard that.  Damian Duff also admitted that they had blood transfusions while he was at Chelsea.
Severo

Don't forget about Fifa trying to keep the Wada code out of football especially regarding whereabouts.

I think football is stuck where cycling was 1992-1997: doping is widespread but everybody is afraid about the whole thing collapsing in on itself.

Personally, I can't stomach the press's intellectual masturbation over Barcelona and their readiness to ignore the negative aspects about them.
ullrichfan

I agree Severo - perhaps you put the point better than I initially tried to express it.  The fact is there has never been a football team this good but everyone seems quite happy to assume there is no doping involved or that doping wouldn't help footballers.  I remember discussing this with the Juventus team of the 90s in another thread.  For those who didn't see the thread, here is one interesting link:

http://www.ergogenics.org/voetbal3.html

And we can link Barca to doping programmes that included growth hormone and EPO:

http://www.ergogenics.org/484.html
Nolte

ullrichfan wrote:
Yes, I'd heard that.  Damian Duff also admitted that they had blood transfusions while he was at Chelsea.


what?
i hadn't heard that.
ventoux

Nolte wrote:
ullrichfan wrote:
Yes, I'd heard that.  Damian Duff also admitted that they had blood transfusions while he was at Chelsea.


what?
i hadn't heard that.


My hazy recollection is that they regularly indulged in blood spinning, although at the time they did it, it was not a prohibited activity.....  but, as I said, "hazy", if anyone remembers better than me, go ahead....
smarauder68

Didn't Messi have to take serious doses of HGH-like stuff just to grow to 5-7?

I have to say, the difference in speed in which Barcelona pass and move the ball was glaringly apparent.  They made the Premeir League's best look like Ipswich vs Chelsea in the FA Cup...
paperman

smarauder68 wrote:
Didn't Messi have to take serious doses of HGH-like stuff just to grow to 5-7?

I have to say, the difference in speed in which Barcelona pass and move the ball was glaringly apparent.  They made the Premeir League's best look like Ipswich vs Chelsea in the FA Cup...


By all accounts he did have to have 'help' growing to his current size.

The standard of football in the premier league is not that good. It wouldn't be too hard to make man utd look bad they won the league by default when two crap teams handed it to them.
Whatever about energy levels etc etc Barcelonas team are so much more skillfull than utd. Doping or no Utd were chasing shadows for most of then game. When Park stumbled from tiredness that was it for me.
ullrichfan

paperman wrote:
The standard of football in the premier league is not that good.

When Park stumbled from tiredness that was it for me.


I'm not sure about your first comment, given English teams success in the Champions League over the last 10 years.  I admit the current Man Utd team is not one of their best, however.

Interesting comment about Park - I have never seen him look tired.  This implies rather a lot.
Me, a fan?

paperman wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:
Didn't Messi have to take serious doses of HGH-like stuff just to grow to 5-7?

I have to say, the difference in speed in which Barcelona pass and move the ball was glaringly apparent.  They made the Premeir League's best look like Ipswich vs Chelsea in the FA Cup...


By all accounts he did have to have 'help' growing to his current size.


So he partook in "hormone therapy" during his developmental years?

I worked with a fellow whose friend put his young child on hormone therapy.  Little Johnny just wasn't tall enough, can't have him getting picked on because of his size.  I told him he'd be better off giving him a spine.  That whole thing makes me sick.  It makes people permanent dopers.  Competing with an artificially enhanced body for life.
Severo

Me, a fan? wrote:
It makes people permanent dopers.  Competing with an artificially enhanced body for life.


Which is possibly what anabolic steroid do anyway - http://www.vg.no/sport/artikkel.php?artid=10035822 (I can only find a link in Norwegian although I'm sure I read it in English last year).
paperman

ullrichfan wrote:
paperman wrote:
The standard of football in the premier league is not that good.

When Park stumbled from tiredness that was it for me.


I'm not sure about your first comment, given English teams success in the Champions League over the last 10 years.  I admit the current Man Utd team is not one of their best, however.

Interesting comment about Park - I have never seen him look tired.  This implies rather a lot.


I was talking more about the season just gone. They are not that bad in that the reality is the premier league and la liga are the best leagues in europe at the moment. La liga is a two horse race bordering on a one horse race. With the way they deal with money it will soon be a nobody watching race. Over all the premier league is tighter but I think the standard of play in la liga is better or maybe its just that I prefer their style of play.
As for Park I though he showed all the signs of a very tired player at the end of the game. There are lots of other examples I have mentioned another stand out for me was Cananvaro in the final of the 2006 world cup he really did have 'amazing' energy. I have often spoken to my colleagues about doping in football and they usually just laugh it off and mention cycling. Its not that they are in denial they just don't believe fotballers dope. Sadly, they are not alone.
paperman

Me, a fan? wrote:


So he partook in "hormone therapy" during his developmental years?

I worked with a fellow whose friend put his young child on hormone therapy.  Little Johnny just wasn't tall enough, can't have him getting picked on because of his size.  I told him he'd be better off giving him a spine.  That whole thing makes me sick.  It makes people permanent dopers.  Competing with an artificially enhanced body for life.


Shocked  Some people. Then again they televise childrens 'beauty pagents' in the states and what some of those parents do is astounding.!!!
ullrichfan

paperman wrote:
another stand out for me was Cannavaro in the final of the 2006 world cup he really did have 'amazing' energy.


Perhaps you haven't seen this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfETDptvyMM
gerry12ie

Never mind Barcelona, what about Barzalona winning the Derby on Pour Moi?  Nineteen years of age and he stands up in his irons as he passes his rival on the line to win.  Not seen panache like that since Dettori arrived on the scene.  Chapeau!!

Wrong thread I know but whats in a name  Wink
Severo

paperman wrote:
I have often spoken to my colleagues about doping in football and they usually just laugh it off and mention cycling. Its not that they are in denial they just don't believe fotballers dope. Sadly, they are not alone.


I mention this idea to people sometimes as well but simply, the idea hasn't entered their brains and is a long way from doing so. I was too young to remember - was cycling like this before Festina?
Mrs John Murphy

Severo wrote:
paperman wrote:
I have often spoken to my colleagues about doping in football and they usually just laugh it off and mention cycling. Its not that they are in denial they just don't believe fotballers dope. Sadly, they are not alone.


I mention this idea to people sometimes as well but simply, the idea hasn't entered their brains and is a long way from doing so. I was too young to remember - was cycling like this before Festina?


I think it was, and for a while after that. You remember there were a lot of people for many many years who swore that Armstrong was riding clean.

I remember pre-BALCO people claiming that steroids wouldn't help you in baseball because it was all hand eye, I remember SM claiming that EPO wouldn't help you in golf, and rugby fans claiming that the bulking up of players is just down to professionalism and more time for gym work.

Lots of sports have yet to have their doping 'say it ain't so Joe' moment.
Geraint

That was utter crap when they were defending Bonds, saying drugs dont help you hit the ball. I really want Nadal to get busted now.
Mrs John Murphy

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/o...ng-drugs-tests-article745384.html

Not that Holt etc will be asking too many tough questions when it comes to Brits or football.

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