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HuwB

Aug30th-Sept3rd:Stages12-16-Vilagarcía Arousa to Cuitu Negru

Time to ramp things up-literally.
We finally head into the major mountains.

Stage 12:

Map:


Profile:


Last Kms:



Climb:
Mirador de Ézaro 190,5 270 m. 250 m. 1,9 km.   13,10% 3


Stage 13:

Map:


Profile:


Last Kms:



Stage 14:

Map:


Profile:


Alto Folgueiras de Aigas:


Puerto de Ancares:


Last Kms:


Climbs:
Alto de Castro 34,4 630 m. 280 m. 4,7 km.   5,90% 3
Alto de Vilaesteva 71,0 950 m. 430 m. 9,5 km.   4,50% 2
Alto de O Lago 90,4 1000 m. 350 m. 8,4 km.   4,10% 3
Alto Folgueiras de Aigas 125,6 950 m. 650 m. 9,7 km.   6,70% 1
Puerto de Ancares 149,2 1470 m. 770 m. 9,5 km.   8,10% 1


Stage 15:

Map:


Profile:


Alto del Mirador del Fito:


Lagos de Covadongo:


Last Kms:


Climbs:
Santo Emiliano 72,0 510 m. 310 m. 6,2 km. 5% 3
Alto del Mirador del Fito 146,4 590 m. 570 m. 6,8 km.   8,30% 1
Lagos de Covadonga 186,5 1120 m. 950 m. 13,5 km.   7% ESP


Stage 16:

Map:


Profile:


Puerto de San Lorenzo:


Alto de la Cobertoria:


Valgrande-Pajares, Cuitunigru:


Last Kms:


Climbs:
Alto de la Cabruñana 45,6 375 m. 255 m. 4,4 km.   5,70% 3
Puerto de San Lorenzo 101,0 1350 m. 850 m. 10 km.   8,50% 1
Alto de la Cobertoria 141,7 1182 m. 692 m. 8 km. 8,60% 1
Valgrande-Pajares. Cuitunigru 183,5 1850 m. 1.340 m.   19,4 km. 6,90% ESP

Some of the main climbs have profiles on the La Vuelta site, but I'm not sure how to capture them. Embarassed
Biosphere

Re: Aug30th-Sept3rd:Stages12-16-Vilagarcía Arousa to Cuitu N

HuwB wrote:
Some of the main climbs have profiles on the La Vuelta site, but I'm not sure how to capture them.


Ta for the ongoing work. I'll have a look at the Vuelta site tonight and get the key ones over here if possible (something certainly will be).
smarauder68

Is Stage 14 considered the toughest climb of the Vuelta?
HuwB

smarauder68 wrote:
Is Stage 14 considered the toughest climb of the Vuelta?


Nope, although it's good to see the Vuelta going down the stiff gradient over long drag, route Certainly Ancares is really tough.

However, it's a toss up between Bola del Mundo, the finish on the penultimate climb, and this new "beast"- Cuita Negru: the finish to stage 16. Comparison here:
http://39x28.blogia.com/2012/011101-bola-del-mundo-vs-cuitu-negru.php

I posted this link on the GT route thread. Check out the average gradient for the top 3kms of Cuita Negru (max 25%) and have a look at the photos of the surface towards the top!

http://39x28.blogia.com/2011/0708...sturiana-altimetrias-y-fotos-.php



smarauder68

Is stage 16 Friday or Saturday? I might be able to watch it...Looks like a ball buster, but there are a couple of breaks in that climb that might allow for riders struggling to regroup.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
. . .  Check out the average gradient for the top 3kms of Cuita Negru (max 25%) and have a look at the photos of the surface towards the top!


Supposedly is being resurfaced though. Irrespective, it's a beast.
gerry12ie

Cobo might have one his rest day renaissances Wink
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
Cobo might have one his rest day renaissances Wink


Ahhh . . . . the rest of two men
HuwB

smarauder68 wrote:
Is stage 16 Friday or Saturday? I might be able to watch it...Looks like a ball buster, but there are a couple of breaks in that climb that might allow for riders struggling to regroup.


Ancares is on Saturday, Cuita Negru is on next Monday.
Should just about get the penultimate climb, as well on Saturday, but it's a pity that once again,
we won't get to see the Puerto de San Lorenzo, which also a killer climb,
or much of the very tough Alto de la Cobertoria.

RTVE really should have made a better effort for stage 16.
smarauder68

So what's the conventional wisdom about who will have the advantage in Stage 16 when they hit that last stretch at 25%?  Rodriguez is the smallest of the group. Contador has the most pedigree.  Will someone like Cobo or Mollema be able to get away and get back into contention?

The next 12 stages should be fantastic.  Pressure is on my man Froome now. I was expecting he'd be into Red by now and preparing to build up his lead. Rodriguez has proved feisty and oppurtunistic. Still can't believe he clawed back and won that stage Saturday morning. Contador must be kicking himself. Froome too...He stopped his attack when he and Contador caught Meyer.  I guess the lead was only 10 seconds or so, but if he continues his attack for another minute, it probably breaks the hearts of Rodriquez and Val Verde.

This Vuelta is turning out to be a lot more interesting than the Tour.
Boogerd_Fan

Only Contador (and maybe a charged Froome) can sustain that kind of speed up 25%. JRod can do it on a few km climb.. but not on a mountain.

I agree about Froome - he was towing Bertie up the mountain which obviously is why he sat up. But he could've put Valv and JRod to the sword there and then. Better to whittle away the competition to just 1 other rider and then out TT him? Anyway, at the time he wasn't 1 minute behind Rodriguez so SKY probably thought they could play mind games.

SM - don't forget the TT isn't flat - I don't think JRod is going to lose his customary 2-3 minutes. Maybe 60-90 seconds only.
smarauder68

The time trial has a 10km gradual climb and then a descent that JRod has to deal with...how fast can the little man descent compared to Froome?  By the way, what is Froome's ht and wt?  He looks about 5-11 or 6 foot and 170ish...while JRod looks about 5-5 and 135.  I'm guessing Froome will pick up 20 or 30 seconds on the descent.
HuwB

Good news on the coverage front.
All the big mountain stages appear to be getting an extra hour "live",
bringing some of those other serious climbs into coverage range. Smile
smarauder68

Is Froome wearing down before our eyes or was he saving something?

I fear he might be wearing down after a grueling calender year.
Boogerd_Fan

gruelling?

name the races he participated in before the Tour...
he came into the Daupine underprepared... don't believe all the SKY PR

what they're trying to do is setup the scenario that should he fail it can be easily blamed on trying to keep form for too long period... the reality is actually that IS true - if he'snot doping, or just for laughs, lets believe them and its all down to a swimming coach and a former RABO doctor creating the best racing program ever, where form never fades.
Bartali

You cynic you ... Wink
smarauder68

Looks like Stage 12 sets up perfectly for Gilbert...pretty nasty steep climb at the end over the last 2km...Valverde will finish 2nd with JRod and AC having a sprint for 3rd.


Stage 12:

1)Gilbert
2)Valverde @ 4 secs
3)JRod @7 secs
4)AC @st
12)Froome @13
HuwB

Too long and way too steep for Gilbert.
This is the stage that Wacky Rodriguez must have built.
Totally pan flat, all the way to a cliff.



Totally nuts and only one winner.

I kinda expect a Katusha 1-2.
Boogerd_Fan

good point Huw - Moreno is quietly progressing to slip into a podium spot should any of the leaders falter in Week 3
HuwB

Nice little video showing all of today's slight uphill finish. Wink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-a6Br31Zlw

CN's take:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/m...ro-a-new-challenge-for-the-vuelta
kathy

Right!  Off to change my FP Laughing
HuwB

Moderate wind forecast for the final 60 kms, which may mean that the peloton might be in pieces before Nick Roche's bottleneck.
Imo, Sky have to try and get rid of "Rocket" Rodriguez at some point along this coastal route.

First hour completed at just under 46kph and still no break.
Saxo just roped in a 14 man bunch.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Too long and way too steep for Gilbert. . . .


My initial reaction was what about Mur de Huy, but having looked it up there's an extra 4 to 5% on the average gradient and an extra 600 or so metres today  Shocked

Always difficult to know how peak gradient is measured as if you do it over a bike length at a switchback you'll get some big numbers, but even so it looks horrible - well not for us at home Very Happy
smarauder68

Wondering why Sky would wanna close this down....they're better off letting it go so they don't lose more bonus seconds.
smarauder68

Looks like they are all letting the break go....nearly 5 minutes with 38km left....I don't think they'll catch before the finale....Could be chaos half way up if they make the catch on the climb.
kathy

Gorrgeous scenery again!
Slapshot 3

Zandio crash and looks out of it...big blow to Froome's hopes if thats the case
smarauder68

Slapshot 3 wrote:
Zandio crash and looks out of it...big blow to Froome's hopes if thats the case


Froome's hopes died yesterday.
smarauder68

Why does Harmon keep referring to the final 3km climb?  It's clearly just 2 km on the map I see here.
kathy

more like 4/5 km on the video!
HuwB

kathy wrote:
Gorrgeous scenery again!


I am liking it a lot.

Not sure if the break is gone for good and that Katusha/Moviestar have miscalculated a bit.

However, easy to lose well over a minute on that ramp.

Zandio about to take the lead? Razz
smarauder68

I wonder if the escapees going backwards on the climb will hinder some of the attackers....If i'm Froome, I might force an accident and just claim same time as the winner...lol
kathy

Don't be silly, Scott!
smarauder68

So, if the catch is going to happen, its gonna happen on the climb...should be very close...catch could happen in the final 500m.
kathy

Break has less than 2min now!
Biosphere

kathy wrote:
Don't be silly, Scott!


It's an interesting tactic though. Does the 3 km rule apply today?
kathy

Biosphere wrote:
kathy wrote:
Don't be silly, Scott!


It's an interesting tactic though. Does the 3 km rule apply today?


Don't know - but it shouldn't!
Biosphere

kathy wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
kathy wrote:
Don't be silly, Scott!


It's an interesting tactic though. Does the 3 km rule apply today?


Don't know - but it shouldn't!


I remember now. Today is officially classed as flat, so my guess is it does.
smarauder68

Froome shoulda taken a tumble in the first 200 m of the climb and saved his legs for future climbs...lol
Bartali

Come on Rodriquez!!!! Smile  Froome put to the sword ... for now at least!

I'm looking fwd to watching the pictures tonight rather than just the ticker feed.
HuwB

All a bit meh, really.

Too many of these finishes are becoming a bit repetitive.
3 Spaniards to sort out the podium.

I'm actually looking forward to a long drag.
kathy

Fortunately for cycling, Froome isn't that sort of cheat!
smarauder68

kathy wrote:
Fortunately for cycling, Froome isn't that sort of cheat!


Was being a bit facetious there...

I think he actually did well to stay within 22 seconds of JRod...I was thinking he might lose a minute there.  Amazing burst from JRod.
HuwB

This:


Now looks like this:


Boogerd_Fan

smooth!!

Totally missed it... and by my reckoning on Eurosport CZ scheduling, i now have to wake up super-early to see any highlights. Thank you US open

Ten Dam having a blinder!!!
gerry12ie

Kelly in fine form - he just said compact gears were for 'tourists and freds'
Bartali

Might be smooth ... but they haven't flattened it Huw!
Boogerd_Fan

last 3km
http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/video...a-liderato-mirador-ezaro/1516841/

i couldn't wait til morning Very Happy
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
All a bit meh, really.

Too many of these finishes are becoming a bit repetitive.
3 Spaniards to sort out the podium.


I think that's a bit harsh.  Nearly 2 weeks in and 4 riders still very much in it and every stage being fought tooth and nail.
maffy

harsh but fair. at least with regard to today's stage. not much doubt if the break got caught.

huwb noted the fine scenery and that it was.

as a gt, i'm sure we're all enjoying it. longermysteriousmountains await eventually.
gerry12ie

What he said.  No contest for top three once the break was caught, just a bit too long for Fast Phil.  That's the last of the gift stages for JRod and Piti, yes?  Froome will come back into it unless he is completely shot so it's wide open still.  Could Gesink do something in the mountains?
Nolte

gerry12ie wrote:
What he said.  No contest for top three once the break was caught, just a bit too long for Fast Phil.  That's the last of the gift stages for JRod and Piti, yes?  Froome will come back into it unless he is completely shot so it's wide open still.  Could Gesink do something in the mountains?


With 3 mountain top finishes in a row, I want to see how well the theory in Fignon's autobiography works Smile
Fontfroide

I read the book, but I can't remember the theory.  Go on, tell us.
Nolte

Fontfroide wrote:
I read the book, but I can't remember the theory.  Go on, tell us.


ok

Quote:
all the riders can get through the first mountain stage. the second is a bit tougher. The third, if it were held, would create  a form of natural selection, because of cumulative fatigue. Once again we would see riders really cracking, more than we've had in recent years.


in my edition, it's the fifth last page that this is on.
Beasley

Rodriguez was very impressive. I can't remember anyone taking 8" out of Contador so easily, even factoring in the gradient.

No sure what to make of Bertie. J-Rod left him for dead in the final 200m, but he must know that on the longer climbs he only has to break him once to take over the lead in the GC.

Pleased to see Anton ride into form, and hopefully Gesink can upset the apple cart.
Bartali

It's all wide open and IMO has been a great Vuelta so far.  The ITT was not overly decisive, Bertie dropped and lost time, Froome droped and lost time, Valverde loosing time on the road and in the crash,Rodriguez fighting for every scrap but losing at least one sprint to Valverde, Froome and Bertie well placed with the big mountains to come, Gesink hovering on the fringes ... what more can we ask for?
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
It's all wide open and IMO has been a great Vuelta so far.  The ITT was not overly decisive, Bertie dropped and lost time, Froome droped and lost time, Valverde loosing time on the road and in the crash,Rodriguez fighting for every scrap but losing at least one sprint to Valverde, Froome and Bertie well placed with the big mountains to come, Gesink hovering on the fringes ... what more can we ask for?


My concern, pure and simple is that no time gaps in the ITT may well lead to less attacking in the big mountain stages: I hope I am wrong.

Put it this way, thank goodness Bertie is there, otherwise I'd be convinced we were in for one huge wheel sucking until the final sprint, fest.
Bartali

I hope you are wrong.  I would have thought that the game shifts into stage 3.  JRod and Valverde had the advantage with the short steep climbs. Bertie and Froome in the ITT.  Now the big climbs ... Froome will follow his power meter in the believe that he can sustain more W/Kg for longer than the others.  Bertie will keep changing pace to shake Froome (but can he sustain the attacks - I've never thought so); Piti and JRod will hang on for all they've got and attack in the last 200m IF they are still there.  I think it is set up beautifully ....
Slapshot 3

That's it in a nutshell, you "KNOW" Berto is going to animate the race as soon as the road goes uphill, he can't do otherwise....just wish I could be watching it.......huff!!
Biosphere

maffy wrote:
probably break day but can't find a pin so st13 - davis


Agreed on it probably being a break day, hence my willingness to overlook the big list of reasons not to pick Swift Smile

I question if any breaks will be allowed to succeed in the forthcoming days if there are bonus seconds on offer and things remain as tight as they are. May scupper any swansong plans that Moncoutie had.
maffy

Biosphere wrote:
maffy wrote:
probably break day but can't find a pin so st13 - davis


Agreed on it probably being a break day, hence my willingness to overlook the big list of reasons not to pick Swift Smile

I question if any breaks will be allowed to succeed in the forthcoming days if there are bonus seconds on offer and things remain as tight as they are. May scupper any swansong plans that Moncoutie had.


seems boogie, kathy and tanya have better equipped sewing kits than i...

Situación de los escapados en la general:
Linus GERDEMANN (175) - 68º a 43:48
Thomas DE GENDT (211) - 69º a 44:09
Simon CLARKE (152) - 80º a 49:18
Cameron MEYER (155) - 101º a 58:19
Juan Antonio FLECHA GIANNONI (182) - 104º a 59:49
Elia VIVIANI (129) - 138º a 1:12:26
Stephen CUMMINGS (044) - 168º a 1:24:41

swift, bill-the-hat and steegers can have a nice chat at the back. unless oil money persuades fdj and opqs to play helping.

a.n. random polkadotié two attacks would mathematically have to make it to one of the special cat mtfs.
Biosphere

Argos and Lotto got them at about 3 mins, so they probably going to pop boogie, kathy and tanya's bubbles with their very, very big needle. With Flecha up front in the break it seems Sky didn't overlook the big list of reasons not to back Swift Wink
Boogerd_Fan

how on earth did that break form? surely the riders in the break know Viviani would easily outsprint them if they stayed away.
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
how on earth did that break form? surely the riders in the break know Viviani would easily outsprint them if they stayed away.


I did look at that and wonder too.

Thinking a bit more and having seen the points competition standing, if Argos wants green (and I don't see why not), no future breaks will be allowed to stay away on the days he could win given that the GC men will give him a good run for his money?

And if there are GC bonus seconds to be nicked on the other days . . .
HuwB

Did anybody see Boonan win stage 1 of the World Ports thingy?
201 kms at an average speed of 52.4kph! Shocked

Talking of figures, I know the Sky boy's 6.4 w/kg over the 15 minutes up to Belle Filles during the Tour got the Clinic talking.
Yesterday's final 8 minutes for Purito, he managed 7.5w/kg.
Biosphere

Bouhanni abandons Sad
HuwB

An echelon of deadbeats, starring Jurgen Van Den Broke. Embarassed
Beasley

Another victory for marginal gains...  Laughing
HuwB

Very good finale. Yet another GB GT winner.
BMC wake up, just as the season is about to go to sleep.

Degenkolb a casualty of his own success.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Degenkolb a casualty of his own success.


And wont get the green jersey at this rate.
HuwB

A better look at tomorrow's final climb. Two for the price of one:
Nolte

HuwB wrote:
Did anybody see Boonan win stage 1 of the World Ports thingy?
201 kms at an average speed of 52.4kph! Shocked



yes but tomorrow it'll be 201 km's at 20kph.
i'd still be dropped Very Happy
Biosphere

A bit redundant since Huw posted the profile above but the last two climbs for Stage 14 according to Unipublic

Alto Folgueiras de Aigas


Puerto de Ancares
Biosphere

And the second half of our weekend treat. Again, the last two climbs. Stage 15

Alto del Mirador del Fito:


Lagos de Covadongo:


I'll post Monday's desert a bit closer to the time.
maffy

all pointy and all good, according to the uci's mtb rating scheme. on rai-stuff-2 all week.
smarauder68

Someone like Mollema who is far enough behind to not pose a threat for the overall top 5, will be allowed to get away on the first climb in stage 14. Mollema fits the profile of a skilled climber who is just far enough back. If he goes, he could win this by 2 minutes or so.
Boogerd_Fan

hope so Smile

it may be a way of keeping Gesink close to the front but not actually having to work... then final climb attacks from the big man are sure to come!
HuwB

Of course, this is the weekend that family choose to descend.
Looks unlikely I'll get to watch any of the next, big three stages, live.
While Eurosport play around with the Worlds Ports thingy, RTVE is due to have live coverage an hour earlier, until the rest day.

Hopefully, I'll be around and able to post a working link, (non-English commentary, Scott) even if I can't watch myself. Sad

If that wasn't enough, Maffy tells us that the final l'Avenir stage has 2 hours live today, but it clashes.
maffy

my trip switch finally decided i'd reached electrical item critical mass yesterday teatime. don't think it's the new secondhand dishwiggler, but it's somewhat inconvenient timetabling for lengthy bouts of troubleshooting diagnoses.
HuwB

Non-starter: Jurgen VDB, Rojas and Debusschere.
Meanwhile, David Moncoutie appears at the other end of the peloton for the first time,
to take the points over the first climb.
HuwB

Finally, a live vuelta feed, not the World Ports borefest.
http://www.rojadirecta.me/goto/vi...spot.com.es/2012/06/stream-5.html
kathy

Kaisen and Valls Ferri also abandon

I'm watching on TDP now
HuwB

I'm in luck, family go out.
Eurosport should be with the Vuelta in under 5 minutes.
65kms to go..........
kathy

According to his brother, Berto is 'super-tranquilo', and just happy to be back racing!
kathy

And Berto punctures, but gets back quickly!
Bartali

I'm super tranquillo too! Smile  Maybe its because its the w/e.
Boogerd_Fan

Awesome HD view of JRod taking a leak while waiting for Bertie to get back on. Hopefully this lights up soon, i'm nodding off!
smarauder68

HuwB wrote:
Finally, a live vuelta feed, not the World Ports borefest.
http://www.rojadirecta.me/goto/vi...spot.com.es/2012/06/stream-5.html



I've lost all live streaming as 5 minutes ago...any links working out there?
kathy

Losada going it alone
smarauder68

anybody watching a live stream? All the links Huw shared have failed me.
HuwB

Would never have thought that Saxo were capable of such peloton destruction.
Rabobank's dynamic duo have flat batteries again.

Scott, you really need to go look:
http://www.rojadirecta.me/goto/vi...spot.com.es/2012/06/stream-5.html
kathy

look un Steephill, Scott
kathy

Ten dam going gor his own gloty now!
smarauder68

Every one of those links on steephill failed...I'm shit outta luck today.
smarauder68

HuwB wrote:
Would never have thought that Saxo were capable of such peloton destruction.
Rabobank's dynamic duo have flat batteries again.

Scott, you really need to go look:
http://www.rojadirecta.me/goto/vi...spot.com.es/2012/06/stream-5.html



They must have North American restrictions.
gerry12ie

1-2-3-KO! for the Spanish Mafia
cyclingtv

sm.. nope
kathy

Try cyclingfever
HuwB

Just as I predicted.
Track stands as Piti and Purito mark out Bertie.
kathy

talansky looks a real talent!

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