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Amstel Gold, Sunday 19th April

Amstel Gold takes place on Sunday, 19th April.  Please post your FPs on this thread

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Nolte

some action, oh
Biosphere

Well they're certainly not leaving it for the final ascent (or penultimate) of the Cauberg. Niballi bluffing that today was about riding into form for next Sunday?
Nolte

with damiano caruso crash, bmc can't rest behind, same with lotto nl.
gerry12ie

Vincenzo could spend a bit less time moaning and a little more time riding...
gerry12ie

If you were playing a Kirby drinking game you would be absolutely pissed 50k before the finish.  He is a true head-melter...
Nolte

gerry12ie wrote:
Vincenzo could spend a bit less time moaning and a little more time riding...


lead down to 14 seconds
gerry12ie

Is GVA just trying to make a point here?  It might be the last one he makes for a while...
Nolte

songbird go for it, you'll get it in a couple of weeks time
gerry12ie

Matthews far too cocky there, Flower did it just right and deserved it.
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
Vincenzo could spend a bit less time moaning and a little more time riding...


TM could spend a bit less time riding and a bit less time doing sod all. Smile
Bartali

Pleased for Flower and delighted BMC didn't win.  Far far too confident in Gilbert to put any eggs in any other basket.  No one likes a wheel sucker GVA!!
gerry12ie

Yep.  It looked in the final that OGE and BMC thought the race was just between them - best they could manage was third I reckon.  Piti the bridesmaid again?
gerry12ie

1 Michal Kwiatkowski (Pol) Etixx - Quick-Step
2 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Movistar Team
3 Michael Matthews (Aus) Orica GreenEdge
4 Rui Costa (Por) Lampre-Merida
5 Tony Gallopin (Fra) Lotto Soudal
6 Greg Van Avermaet (Bel) BMC Racing Team
HuwB

Just finished watching.
Sundays mean lunch, not cycling these days.

Overall, another gawd awful edition.
Huge group left at the foot of the Cauberg.
Ridiculously strong BMC manage to mirror the Etix cobbles calamity.

250 odd kms to end in a group sprint.
To cap it all off, Eurosport leave before any of the official results.
A poor man's sport in their eyes.
Fontfroide

So is Kirby the guy who pronounces names like they are all from the same language group, with the funny "R" regardless if they are from the Netherlands, Spain or anywhere else?  He is sometimes on an English language Eurosport coverage, with a rotating "someone else" who is obviously a former cyclist.  I had a friend who knew Spanish and pronounced all French words as if they were Spanish with a rolled R.  At first I thought it was kind of cute, an Anglo rolling Rs.  Then it got to be silly.  This guy Kirby seems to space out sometimes and get caught in one of his metaphors, which go on endlessly.  He seems to know it though.  Is that Kirby?
maffy

kirby's the shit shouty twat without the faintest idea of how bike racing works. like thierry adam without a reasonably pleasant voice or a printed startlist or a volume control or lunch but with millions of bonus adverts.

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dog only knows how he got the rcs gig.
gerry12ie

Kirby gets ridiculously over-excited at the the most random things, while generally missing the meaningful attacks and goings-on.  The most annoying thing is his stream of consciousness commentary that has little relevance to anything at all.


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Fontfroide

Merci, I think I now know for sure who he is.  

It must be a helluva job to try to find someone who can babble on for all the minutes of every race that are a little bit boring, get excited only when it is exciting, allow the expert to analyse enough for the knowledgable, remember and know enough to talk and give background vital but trivial facts, be quiet and leave dead air when it is best to just shut up, and so forth.  A thankless job.  Being the sidekick who knows about cycling is also a bit hard, since you have to respond to inane questions by the babbler, without saying it is a dumb question.  But at least you get to talk mostly if something actually happens, or you notice something others might miss.  Although it is hard to say things interesting to geeks like most of us, while explaining it clearly to the average sports fan.   So the expert is usually pretty good.  The babbler on the other hand has to really do a lot to fill the relatively empty time of many races.  AND the babbler does not really have control of the picture either.  I am not sure I have ever liked any of the babblers, and I nearly always like the expert.  Sean, Laurent (Jalabert or Fignon), Magnus or many of the others.
mazda

I increasingly find myself being able to listen to Carlton for hours on end these days - not sure if that opens me up to ridicule or sympathy.

I find I don't need him to point out what is actually going on in the race.

Contrast that with my other current favourite sport - F1 - where it isn't possible to provide me with too much information and where I find the "babbler" a complete irritant.
Mrs John Murphy

Maybe Carlton has reached the point where he is like a security announcement on a train. You know it is there, you hear the sound but the words don't register.
Fontfroide

mazda wrote:
I increasingly find myself being able to listen to Carlton for hours on end these days - not sure if that opens me up to ridicule or sympathy.

I find I don't need him to point out what is actually going on in the race.

Contrast that with my other current favourite sport - F1 - where it isn't possible to provide me with too much information and where I find the "babbler" a complete irritant.


I would say that for whatever reason, you are enjoying your watching more, and that has to be a good thing.  Maybe you found a way to tune out some of the tendencies others find irritating.  I myself am working on his attempt at foreign accents and am hoping it ceases to bother me in the future.  Or I can just listen in Dutch (which I don't understand) or French.
mr shifter

Fontfroide wrote:

It must be a helluva job to try to find someone who can babble on for all the minutes of every race that are a little bit boring, get excited only when it is exciting, allow the expert to analyse enough for the knowledgable, remember and know enough to talk and give background vital but trivial facts, be quiet and leave dead air when it is best to just shut up, and so forth.  
That is definitely not a description of Carlton Kirby's TV performance and when the so called expert with him is Magnus Bäckstedt then there is no hope of cycle racing intelligence.
One babbling on about about the course sheet (over & over again & again) with the constant update of Km's to go when he sees it on the screen as we all see it also, then telling the expert he was "Correct" about a detail he knows feck all about.
The other telling us about his own experiences of sprinting and climbing mountains and more about himself.
With this pair, I sometimes think it must have been similar to two old ladies on wash house monday mornings.

Sean Kelly put a lot of time into David Harmon and after 10 years he was becoming a reasonable cycling commentator with some knowledge of riders.
I cannot believe I'm saying this about Harmon after the many hours of mute to his voice until the last few Kilometers of a race.
Kirby just gets worse in the Final Kilo's and he is so bad that now it causes me to regret the loss of Harmon. It is that bad. ??

Give me the smooth talking of Graham Jones with all the details and observations he throws out.
I nominate him Number 1.
Fontfroide

So where does Graham Jones do his commentating?  What feed or channel?

I rather like Magnus, and he often gives me information I might not have otherwise figured out.  He gently corrects either the question or the views of Kirby, and then moves on.  But obviously commentators do rouse serious emotions in cycling fans.  One way or another.  Laurent Fignon was my recent favourite, probably always will be.  Although understand that Cedric Vasseur is not bad at all.
mr shifter

Fontfroide wrote:
So where does Graham Jones do his commentating?  What feed or channel?
Unfortunately he's a busy man in the UK with course designing and other aspects in the UK Pro scene.
I think the last I heard him was on the Vuelta Eurosport 2014.
Check him out on Wiki to find he has been around the Pro circuit and will probably impress you for his palmares where you live.
Let me introduce a Great (part time) Commentator that knows the business.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Jones_%28cyclist%29
Fontfroide

Merci.  I had heard him often enough here and there over the years, but I wondered how I could find him these days.  Maybe harder than I thought.  I did like him, but then I like most of the "colour" commentators, the ex-cyclists.  I do thin their job is easier though as they are not charged with babbling, just noticing interesting stuff.  I also like listening to the ex0cyclists respond to dumb questions the babblers ask.  Always good for a laugh.  They can't actually say "that was a dumb question", although Fignon often came close.
mazda

Fontfroide wrote:
So is Kirby the guy who pronounces names like they are all from the same language group

Is that Kirby or Rob Hatch ?
When Rob was commentating I was confused when he kept referring to a cyclist by the name of Tom Avoclair Confused
I think it was the cadence that caught me out more than anything.

Rob certainly uses more than one language group though i.e. Costa becomes Coshta.
Fontfroide

Maybe your guy is not so bad, maybe he is just rare sports commentator who tries to pronounce things correctly.  I am so used to French commentators just pronouncing everything as if it were French ....

Coshta is indeed pronounced as such in Portuguese.  And Toe-mah Vok-lair is about right for French.  At least he does call him Tommy, which is a nickname with almost no use in French.  I might also add that Tom is not common on French either.  I should try to make a distinction between people who try hard and those who don't.

Mind you, I have no idea how you pronounce the R in Ben Hermans name.  Because he was out front I heard a Spanish rolled R a lot.  Maybe Flemish is pronounced that way.

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