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Biosphere

2016 Season

I'll stick this here even if it's maybe as home in the transfer thread, but as a pretence to kick off the 2016 thread, the class of 2015 will do fine.

http://espoirscentral.blogspot.ch...-pro-2016-world-tour-lowdown.html
berck

They announced the 18 WT teams.

   Ag2r La Mondiale
   Astana Pro Team
   BMC Racing Team
   Cannondale Pro Cycling Team
   Dimension Data
   Etixx-QuickStep
   FDJ
   IAM Cycling
   Lampre-Merida
   Lotto Soudal
   Movistar Team
   Orica-GreenEdge
   Team Giant-Alpecin
   Team Katusha
   Team Lotto NL-Jumbo
   Team Sky
   Tinkoff
   Trek Factory Racing

More information, along with ProConti teams found here
Bartali

Cheers Berck
Biosphere

This was announced last week but didn't seem to make much of a splash. Seems to have been signed off at a meeting here in Basel on Friday. Part of me will not be surprised to see a race deciding botched change or two next year, but the other part of me wonders how many of the wheelsets the Pro Teams are using will actually have a disc version ready for next year?

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/11...eams-can-use-disc-brakes-in-2016/
Nolte

The person who runs my local shop, is a big fan of disc brakes. Every time I  have been in recent, he tries to sell me a bike with disc brakes.

Although the last time I was in, I did buy one with the disc brakes

My previous bike had been fully depreciated for two years Wink
SlowRower

Biosphere wrote:
Part of me will not be surprised to see a race deciding botched change or two next year...


Back wheels with disc brakes are a bit of a b*gger. Or at least the one on my hybrid is! You need to get the wheel lined up exactly right otherwise the disc just won't go into the braking mechanism. You can't put the wheel in all wonky and then line it afterwards like you can with a normal braking system. Not easy working against the spring in the derailleur when the heart is pounding. (Plus if you get it wrong, you scratch the paint!)
SlowRower

Nolte wrote:
The person who runs my local shop, is a big fan of disc brakes.


I'll bet!

The proprietor of our LBS is a big fan of disc brakes, titanium bikes, power meters, virtual reality turbos etc. He does good "mates' rates" on more mundane items such as tyres and tubes though so I just ignore his blatant marketing efforts. Smile
Bartali

Marketing marketing marketing .... a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
Bartali

Marketing marketing marketing .... a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
mr shifter

6th December 15
The last question about Fabio Aru’s race schedule has been answered. Today La Gazzetta dello Sport reports that the Italian will ride Paris-Nice and skip Tirreno-Adriatico.
Aru’s race schedule for the first half of the season is now fully known. He will start at the Volta a la Communidad Valenciana and then ride the Volta ao Algarve, Paris - Nice, the Tour of the Basque Country and the Ardennes Classics before taking a break and going to altitude to prepare for the Tour.

Vinokourov, 29 November 15
“It’s already decided. We’ll talk more during the training camp in Calpe but things are clear: Vincenzo will be for the Giro and Aru for the Tour".
"I think Vincenzo could also ride the Tour. I think Fabio’s got to ride the Tour to see how good he is and how far he can go. We’ll decide our final strategy after the Giro. It depends if he [Nibali] wins it. But for now it’s Vincenzo for the Giro and Fabio for the Tour. For now things are clear but of course they could change during the race.”
HuwB

Rider schedules for 2016:-

http://caferoubaix.com/2015/11/12/riders-schedule-in-the-2016-season/
Biosphere

Uncle Oleg says next year is his last. I never really understood his logic - you don't go bending race organisers to your will by buying a team. Riis and Saxo back in 2017?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/e...-leave-cycling-after-2016-season/
berck

Biosphere wrote:
Uncle Oleg says next year is his last. I never really understood his logic - you don't go bending race organisers to your will by buying a team. Riis and Saxo back in 2017?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/e...-leave-cycling-after-2016-season/


Interesting comments he makes about why and the comments on trying to change things within the sport.
Nolte

HuwB wrote:
Rider schedules for 2016:-

http://caferoubaix.com/2015/11/12/riders-schedule-in-the-2016-season/


Oh I see they only have three races for Adam Hansen down Wink
Nolte

berck wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
Uncle Oleg says next year is his last. I never really understood his logic - you don't go bending race organisers to your will by buying a team. Riis and Saxo back in 2017?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/e...-leave-cycling-after-2016-season/


Interesting comments he makes about why and the comments on trying to change things within the sport.


I really disluke the television rights argument

And so does this http://inrng.com/2014/01/problem-revenue-sharing/

It reminds me of the south park episode where Canada goes on strike to get some of the internet mobey .

Outside of the tour de France and giro, there isn't a lot of TV viewing money, some races actually paying the TV people to broadcast their races .

Cycling is also more expensive sport to broadcast compared to other sports.

Other sports also do a whole lot better in terms of merchandising (I am sore those that cycle here come across other cyclists in team kits of sponsors who left the sport in the 1990s. Wait when did banesto leave?)

And then other sports can charge admission which cycling can't (and shouldn't)

These are the difficulties with the income sharing idea that I can see

There is only one way for teams to get a lot of money through TV money, and it is not TV rights, its sponsorship by a TV company

Or could try one of those annoying payday lenders that advertise on Eurosport during the day by their interest rates are 1234567890% so unfeasible
Biosphere

berck wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
Uncle Oleg says next year is his last. I never really understood his logic - you don't go bending race organisers to your will by buying a team. Riis and Saxo back in 2017?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/e...-leave-cycling-after-2016-season/


Interesting comments he makes about why and the comments on trying to change things within the sport.


But would you want to work with him on trying to change things? To me he comes across as volatile and unpredictable and likely to change his mind on a whim. Not the type of person one would ever embark on a strategic venture with.

And that's before you consider that there is not so much money in cycling anyway - the revenue streams he wants access to are not really there? Nolte's link examines ASO's cash flow and it's not really going to revolutionise the sport if it's opened up.

I think it just comes down to the super smart business man finally realising after many years that cycling is a sponsorship and brand promotion expense rather than an income stream in its own right . . .

Quote:
. . .  my marketing people tell me that we’ve reached all the investors we can via cycling and sports sponsorship. We’ve decided we have to switch our advertising budget to direct TV advertising in 2017.


I presume from 2017 he will be complaining that he is buying regular TV slots, but the TV companies are unwilling to embrace change and share their revenues with him Wink
Slapshot 3

Biosphere wrote:
Uncle Oleg says next year is his last. I never really understood his logic - you don't go bending race organisers to your will by buying a team. Riis and Saxo back in 2017?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/e...-leave-cycling-after-2016-season/


I've heard a rumour that this will be the collaboration between Fernando Alonso and Alberto Contador... no confirmations or anything yet but that this may be on the cards
Boogerd_Fan

Slapshot 3 wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
Uncle Oleg says next year is his last. I never really understood his logic - you don't go bending race organisers to your will by buying a team. Riis and Saxo back in 2017?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/e...-leave-cycling-after-2016-season/


I've heard a rumour that this will be the collaboration between Fernando Alonso and Alberto Contador... no confirmations or anything yet but that this may be on the cards



Could explain the Sagan signature too, signing up a 4-year contract, he would need to have been informed about Alonso's involvement.. initially there were rumours before start of last season that he would go to Alono's superteam.
berck

Biosphere wrote:

But would you want to work with him on trying to change things? To me he comes across as volatile and unpredictable and likely to change his mind on a whim. Not the type of person one would ever embark on a strategic venture with.


No I wouldn't. I agree with your evaluation of him. I thought basically the same, but the comments are still interesting to read. "I'm trying to change things, but nobody wants to change"....

Biosphere wrote:

And that's before you consider that there is not so much money in cycling anyway - the revenue streams he wants access to are not really there? Nolte's link examines ASO's cash flow and it's not really going to revolutionise the sport if it's opened up.

I think it just comes down to the super smart business man finally realising after many years that cycling is a sponsorship and brand promotion expense rather than an income stream in its own right . . .


Agreed. It needs to be looked at as an advertising mechanism. Much like it is with car racing (especially NASCAR here).

Biosphere wrote:

Quote:
. . .  my marketing people tell me that we’ve reached all the investors we can via cycling and sports sponsorship. We’ve decided we have to switch our advertising budget to direct TV advertising in 2017.


I presume from 2017 he will be complaining that he is buying regular TV slots, but the TV companies are unwilling to embrace change and share their revenues with him Wink


Probably so. Very Happy. Funny thing, is that they'll spend much more advertising in TV slots than the cost of running a team. Heck the NFL Super Bowl ads are expected to be a cool $5 Million for 30 seconds coming up soon.... Super Bowl 50 Ads Hit Record Price
Fontfroide

Yes, I think it is quite well known and undisputed that cycling is a cheap and effective means of advertising, but useless in terms of making money, with one or two exceptions (ASO, for example), certainly not teams themselves.

Who would even want to KNOW Tinkoff?
mr shifter

Nolte wrote:
I really disluke the television rights argument

Outside of the tour de France and giro, there isn't a lot of TV viewing money, some races actually paying the TV people to broadcast their races  

Cycling is also more expensive sport to broadcast compared to other sports.

These are the difficulties with the income sharing idea that I can see

There is only one way for teams to get a lot of money through TV money, and it is not TV rights, its sponsorship by a TV company

Fat Pat tried his luck against the ASO and the answer is No ASO then NO TDF, so I say it again.
The TDF is part of the French Heritage with the backing of the French Government.
If you have been to the TDF you may have seen the "convoys" of Police and National Gendarmerie who travel from a local area of 100 Kilometers.
This occurs for their other French races and this has to be paid for by the ASO, or budgeted within Ministry of the Interior.
This has to be a bit more than just a commercial venture and why the UCI couldn't make an impression to get the TV rights, as the French ran their race within French Rules and not UCI. and kept the TV rights.
Fontfroide

Just a question of information source.  When you mentioned that the Republican Guard is paid by the state and not by the ASO, I wondered about that.  After half an hour of "research" I found nothing about it.

So my question, just for interest, is how do you know that the budget for the motorcyclists comes out of the state budget and the ASO does not pay anything.  I have no axe to grind either way, but I had the impression the ASO paid for the blue clad bikers.

Do you know that the other races also don't pay for using local police or national Gendarmerie for race purposes?

One thing for sure is that the ASO does not pay for the immense amount of new road surfaces all over France along the route.
mr shifter

Fontfroide wrote:

So my question, just for interest, is how do you know that the budget for the motorcyclists comes out of the state budget .
 
3 words have been edited in to make my point clear.
I don't know and I have often wondered who pays the costs of police buses travelling those great distances to drop a policeman at each road/track junction.
I expected you might have known who in the Ministry of the Interior could justify the Gendarme account. ?
Slapshot 3

Looks like a very nice edition of the race to the sun next year, good climbs and dirt roads... what's going on at ASO??? Laughing  Laughing

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2...-ventoux-and-includes-dirt-roads/
mr shifter

Cycling-Tour de France organisers ASO to withdraw from UCI's calendar

By Reuters Published: 10:52, 18 December 2015 | Updated: 10:52, 18 December 2015

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/...-UCIs-calendar.html#ixzz3uflvlDx3
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook




PARIS, Dec 18 (Reuters) - Tour de France organisers ASO (Amaury Sport Organisation) are withdrawing from the International Cycling Union's elite calendar in 2017 because of a disagreement over the reform of the calendar and the selection of teams, they said on Friday.

The ASO said the reform of the World Tour means that the 2017 elite system will a closed circuit and that it wants a system based on 'sporting criteria'.
Fontfroide

mr shifter wrote:
 
3 words have been edited in to make my point clear.
I don't know and I have often wondered who pays the costs of police buses travelling those great distances to drop a policeman at each road/track junction.
I expected you might have known who in the Ministry of the Interior could justify the Gendarme account. ?


I don't know EXACTLY, and I shall make it my mission to find out.  Given the tendency to make cycling races pay for police protection in some other countries and perhaps in France, I wonder if the Tour is one big exception.  Even though it is a privately owned business dedicated to make money for the Amaury family, it is also something of a French icon of Pride and Culture.  Get back to you on that one.
Nolte

Inner ring again

http://inrng.com/2010/12/police-charges/

So they pay but no where near the market rate in France, an effective subsidy in place

In another artle inrng.com http://inrng.com/2014/07/tour-de-france-audience-indifference/   quotes this, http://m.lesechos.fr/redirect_article.php?id=0203587757561&fw=1#
I'm not a francophone so I don't know if a 2014 cost is mentioned
HuwB

Jack Bobridge has won the Aussie national road race title by attacking early and never getting caught.
Nolte

HuwB wrote:
Jack Bobridge has won the Aussie national road race title by attacking early and never getting caught.


90k on his own.

Fair dues to him.
Nolte

olympic numbers announced by uci
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/u...nounces-mens-road-olympic-quotas/

belgium, colombia, great britain and italy have 5 for the road race.
ireland have 2 places
Boogerd_Fan

Caleb Ewan sweeping up down under..

Gaviria clearly the fastest man in Argentina, Sagan second (again). The 3-man break made it until the final corner... and the KM long dragstrip to the finish.. oops!
mazda

T. Martin says Froome (and Dumoulin) favourite for Olympics.

Tony has also been talking about taking part in the early season classics.
Following some favourable comments from a teammate he responded in kind
Quote:
“It makes me really proud. Tom Boonen is Mr Cobblestone himself"

Do you think he said that in English or German ?
gerry12ie

Rapha release the 500 quid (700 fucking Euros!!) bib and shirt combo - but apparently it's not for everyone...

Quote:
Despite playing a significant role in the invigoration of the UK cycling scene, Rapha remains a ‘marmite’ brand, though Mottram is comfortable with that: “What we wanted to create was a brand for a certain type of person that was absolutely for that person. So it was everything to some people and nothing to some people. I didn’t want to be something to everyone.”


Whatever that's supposed to mean?

Anyway, SR, Bartali and the rest of the Tykes aren't taken in apparently...

Quote:
“Rapha clothing”, he observes “is far less ubiquitous in Yorkshire than it is in London. You rarely see packs of Mamils riding in head-to-toe Rapha, like you do around London.”

He admits to being quite self-conscious when wearing Rapha clothing up north and has identified a breed of anti-Rapha cyclist in Yorkshire: “They tend to be those who have been riding to a high standard since their teens. It’s possible they feel a certain resentment that Rapha has sort of stolen their sport and made it their own,” he suggests.


Maybe Bartali has to change at Chesterfield?

Very Happy  Very Happy

http://www.theguardian.com/enviro...-many-cyclists-love-to-hate-rapha


HuwB

Pretty good finish to the TDU stage 3. Straight up and then straight down is fairly foolproof in that respect. Gerrans pips Dennis, ftw, but it's virtual unknown Michael Woods of Canada, riding for Cannondale who made the final selection over the top, with just Henao for company.

Similar, if less spectacular parcour in San Luis led to solo breakaway victory for Drapac's Peter Koning. That man Gaviria made the elite selection and so took second.
The race has benefited from much improved live coverage. They now employ a helicopter and a couple of motorbike cameras, although their work and that of the director leaves much to be desired.
MTF this evening.
berck

Farrar borrowed a bike from a fan and finished the race. He wasn't disqualified since he had been in a crash and support had passed him by...

Farrar borrows fan’s bike at Tour Down Under
HuwB

Huge crash in San Luis left several riders and most of Movistar in a bad way.
Malori worst off, receiving intensive treatment.
Others effected included Nairo Quintana and Dani Moreno.
Gaviria and Contraras also reported as out of the race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CqSnNSpoPw
Biosphere

Malori is in a bad way Sad

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/m...oma-after-tour-de-san-luis-crash/
HuwB

More terrible news on the injury front.
6 Giant riders taken out by a car in Spain, including Degenkolb and Barguil.
One very serious injury.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/d...t-alpecin-training-camp-accident/

Quote:
The wreck was reportedly caused by a British tourist driving into the wrong side of the road.


Edit:
Degenkolb has apparently lost a finger on his left hand.
Re-attachment hopefully.
Nolte

Those both are awful
gerry12ie

Nice Inrng piece about the big money movers and shakers in cycling...

Part 1 http://inrng.com/2016/01/wealthiest-people-in-pro-cycling/
Part the two http://inrng.com/2016/01/wealthie...ople-in-pro-cycling-2/#more-27415
Nolte

wild cards announced for catalunya and ghent-wevelgem
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/w...-gent-wevelgem-volta-a-catalunya/

Quote:
Wildcard teams for Volta a Catalunya

Caja Rural-Seguros RGA
Cofidis, Solutions Credits
CCC Sprandi Polkowice
Roompot-Oranje Peloton
Team Roth
Verva ActiveJet
Wanty-Groupe Gobert


maybe with just 2 spanish teams in the race in movistar and caja rural, could they have used in one of the places instead to philip roth's team or verva activejet, a spanish national team like poland and tour down under do?
mr shifter

whoops, put this on 2015 thread. Embarassed
try again as of yesterday

mr shifter wrote:


Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:21 pm    
Rabbits albino Rabbits

Only 14 days to the 1st European 1HC race :- 53° TROFEO LAIGUEGLIA

`
HuwB

Eurosport's season kicks off tomorrow with both Dubai and the Volta a Valenciana live. The latter returns for the first time since the financial crash of 2008.
It's led to an interesting piece from Velonews, highlighting the difficulty of bringing smaller races to our TV and PC screens.

http://velonews.competitor.com/20...ciana-returns-after-hiatus_394165
Biosphere

mr shifter wrote:
whoops, put this on 2015 thread. Embarassed
try again as of yesterday

mr shifter wrote:


Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:21 pm    
Rabbits albino Rabbits

Only 14 days to the 1st European 1HC race :- 53° TROFEO LAIGUEGLIA

`


I've set 2015 free. It will probably take a while to drift down the page until the season starts properly.
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
Eurosport's season kicks off tomorrow with both Dubai and the Volta a Valenciana live. The latter returns for the first time since the financial crash of 2008.
It's led to an interesting piece from Velonews, highlighting the difficulty of bringing smaller races to our TV and PC screens.

http://velonews.competitor.com/20...ciana-returns-after-hiatus_394165


Good to see the Spanish race back.  

Do pass on any useful tips as to where we might find the coverage if it seems NOT obvious to you.  You with your motorised dish that can receive any TV broadcast on earth, live.  I do regret not being a neighbour and being able to invite myself over for a few afternoons of brotherly viewing.  I bet I would learn a lot and between us our commentary might be truly brilliant.  Might not need the pros.
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Eurosport's season kicks off tomorrow with both Dubai and the Volta a Valenciana live. The latter returns for the first time since the financial crash of 2008.
It's led to an interesting piece from Velonews, highlighting the difficulty of bringing smaller races to our TV and PC screens.

http://velonews.competitor.com/20...ciana-returns-after-hiatus_394165


Good to see the Spanish race back.  

Do pass on any useful tips as to where we might find the coverage if it seems NOT obvious to you.  You with your motorised dish that can receive any TV broadcast on earth, live.  I do regret not being a neighbour and being able to invite myself over for a few afternoons of brotherly viewing.  I bet I would learn a lot and between us our commentary might be truly brilliant.  Might not need the pros.


Here you go. Should be good for tomorrow.
Currently Eurosport showing delayed live here.
http://cyclinghub.tv/livestream

https://www.procyclinglive.com/livestream/

TDP have the most extensive live coverage. There are other Spanish carriers.

Other than that, French Eurosport are offering better than the rest. Since you are in France..............
mr shifter

Well it's the 14th and the favourite could only finish 6th in the TROFEO LAIGUEGLIA

1) Fedi (Southeast)
2) Colbrelli (Bardiani - CSF)
3) Bole (NIPPO)
4) Felline (Italia)
5( Gavazzi (Androni)
6) Ulissi (Lampre)
7) Vichot (FDJ)

PS....It's still WINTER ?
Biosphere

I'm going to have to lock the 2015 thread Smile

There's not much evidence of winter around. In the mountains this week. More likely to slip on a patch of mud than ice at the moment.

At this rate it's going to be a very mild spring season
Nolte

Leigh Howard won the clasica almeria over the tough 21km course ahead of tsavich and saromontis. The race was reduced due to heavy winds
Is this a record distance for a UCI race?

Andriy grivko won LA Mediterranean ahead of ladagnous and bakelandts.

In the other Spanish race, Murcia was won by Gilbert ahead of valverde, zakarin and luis leon sanchez
HuwB

BENNATI wins his first race in eons by taking stage 1 of the Ruta del Sol yesterday.

Surprised Bart seems to have missed it.
Kittel continues his return to form by beating the other giant German in Algarve.
Fontfroide

In addition, another outsider of dubious quality won the second stage of the Tour of Oman.  And who would that be but …

EBH

And he beat Nibali and Van Avaermat up a wee hill
gerry12ie

Its lovely to come in from work and watch some cycling again! Very Happy  Very Happy

Kirby - have your fun why don't you - I'll be bound - oh my goodness - boy did he deliver today.  The man has an endless loop of annoying banalities that he keeps in a not-so-cold storage.

Still, it's good to have some racing back Very Happy
Boogerd_Fan

3 races a once this week is a bit tricky to follow... first 2 stages in Oman were quite interesting with a funky selection of GC riders on 75% and Classics guys on 80% getting luke warm before their mini-season starts  in a few weeks.

I'd like to see Algarve coverage to see if G can repeat his win there.. but struggling to find any videos/footage.
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
3 races a once this week is a bit tricky to follow... first 2 stages in Oman were quite interesting with a funky selection of GC riders on 75% and Classics guys on 80% getting luke warm before their mini-season starts  in a few weeks.

I'd like to see Algarve coverage to see if G can repeat his win there.. but struggling to find any videos/footage.


I'll post what I can find, but there are only 10 minutes a day on Portuguese tv.

A few minutes in French of stage 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASA-BzN4hIA&feature=youtu.be

Interview with G after stage 2 :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8cpIK-aGko

Yesterday, Lulu pipped Geraint for the stage after Astana had created a split.
Resulted in Contador finishing a way down.

Brief highlights:

https://youtu.be/LEQ5QVwILGE

In Andalucia, Bouhanni netted his first win of the season, after being pushed by a team mate up the climb, if Simon Geschke is to be believed. (which he is, I suppose)
HuwB

Algarve:
Cancellara crushes everyone with his second half ITT split.
Second placed Tony Martin takes over the race lead by just 3 seconds from Geraint Thomas, who finished 3rd.
Overnight leader Leon Luis Sanchez crashed out and is hospital bound.

Andalucia:
Oscar Gatto takes the 3rd stage win over Sky's version of JJ Rojas, Ben Swift.
Consolation for Swift in that he now leads the GC on count back.

Oman:
      Nothing from me as I'm trying to catch the highlights sans spoiler.
ventoux

In Andalusia Saxo Bank getting lots of free publicity from Eurosport -  free as in Tinkoff constantly being referred to as "Tinkoff-Saxo" - I don't suppose Saxo will mind one bit (as long as it doesn't continue in the unlikely event of a Tinkoff rider getting a positive test Shocked
HuwB

Out to lunch, come back to find that the guy that brought many of us here, together, has passed:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/ne...avid-duffield-dies-aged-84-212860
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Out to lunch, come back to find that the guy that brought many of us here, together, has passed:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/ne...avid-duffield-dies-aged-84-212860


I had no idea he was so old. I hadn't experienced so much of his commentary not having had much access to Eurosport until recent years. It brings home that something simple like an accidental fall can have such consequences.
billgull

Interesting! and well deserved! Wonder if the Oslo 'old-boys' will buy in?


http://velonews.competitor.com/20...ated-for-nobel-peace-prize_396238
Nolte

sad to hear about david duffield Sad
Slapshot 3

I saw this on Sunday, made a bundle of comments on twitter. It is hugely sad and as well as being a great commentator if you liked his style ( big fan of it) His commentaries also gave you a braod spectrum knowledge of the countryside and maybe helped pique my interest in France and Italy, their geography, culture and cuisine.

Duffers has been sadly missed on Eurosport, RIP old chap!
Nolte

Checking, I see milan-san remo is back on Saturday this year after a number of years on a Sunday.

I think the same is about Lombardy in September but this I think is also to do with the worlds
Nolte

Sean Kelly on paris-nice coverage has said rumours of Lars boom announcing going back to cyclo cross after paris roubaix
Biosphere

Interesting throw away comment about 2 week Vuelta

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/c...nt-with-aso-on-worldtour-reforms/

General trend of below the line comments of Cookson wanting to shorten Vuelta for more far away races, but I would have thought of that's being discussed now it's down to ASO?
HuwB

This was live on French Eurosport today, but it all boiled down to these 11, amazing seconds.

https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/720615618983145473?s=09
gerry12ie

HuwB wrote:
This was live on French Eurosport today, but it all boiled down to these 11, amazing seconds.

https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/720615618983145473?s=09


That's incredible!
ventoux

HuwB wrote:
This was live on French Eurosport today, but it all boiled down to these 11, amazing seconds.

https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/720615618983145473?s=09


I'll have whatever he's having! Bloody hell......  Shocked
Boogerd_Fan

Nolte wrote:
Sean Kelly on paris-nice coverage has said rumours of Lars boom announcing going back to cyclo cross after paris roubaix



Bit of a late reaction to this one... but i think Lars would be crazy to do that. He wouldn't be on the same level as van der Poel and Aerts.
Boogerd_Fan

I like Nibs and think he's a classy rider.. but by goodness since the Tour win he has been treading water and is getting his butt kicked regularly.
Bartali

He's sandbagging .... come the hour cometh the man!
Boogerd_Fan

a Giro win would be very good... very good indeed.

I guess at least Nibs is a complete rider... he can think about putting time into Landa in the TTs... and time into Dumoulin in the mountains. Mind you, that leaves Valverde to deal with..
Bartali

Don't worry ... he'll put time into everyone in the mountains when it matters Smile Smile
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
Don't worry ... he'll put time into everyone in the mountains when it matters Smile Smile


I say, keep the faith Bartali, someone has to.  Wink
mazda

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
a Giro win would be very good... very good indeed.

I guess at least Nibs is a complete rider... he can think about putting time into Landa in the TTs... and time into Dumoulin in the mountains. Mind you, that leaves Valverde to deal with..
he could use the team car for the last part Twisted Evil
HuwB

Nibali is the today's break with Cunego.
It's seems to have become his MO for warm up races before the big event. Wink
HuwB

Nibali really struggled on the 1st cat.
Went from out the front, to out the back in short order and although he tried, couldn't get back on the descent.
Fell away in the rolling run in.
Another fascinating stage with Kangert getting a second win and the 10 seconds bonus for the GC win.
Except Landa pinched 3rd, the 4 seconds that went with it and held on by just 2 seconds.
Bartali

He'll be fine come sunday Wink Expect him to go long!
Nolte

croatia organisers seem quite cruel having a team time trial on stage 5 over 40kms long
Nolte

Mick Rogers announces retirement due to heart problem
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/m...ced-to-retire-with-heart-ailment/
Biosphere

I think today's Tour of Turkey stage was perhaps the most boring flat stage run in I have ever seen. Maybe it was a bit more exciting when the echelons were forming.

I did find myself compelled to watch though to see if the Etix trait of conspiring to lose stages might be catching amongst Belgian teams.
Biosphere

I think today's Tour of Turkey stage was perhaps the most boring flat stage run in I have ever seen. Maybe it was a bit more exciting when the echelons were forming.

I did find myself compelled to watch though to see if the Etix trait of conspiring to lose stages might be catching amongst Belgian teams.
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
I think today's Tour of Turkey stage was perhaps the most boring flat stage run in I have ever seen. Maybe it was a bit more exciting when the echelons were forming.

I did find myself compelled to watch though to see if the Etix trait of conspiring to lose stages might be catching amongst Belgian teams.


i was wondering if that was going to happen.
i though in the 12 minutes bike condensed the coverage to, it was interesting Very Happy

good to see broeckmans up there in third Smile
mazda

Good end to the stage into Scarborough.
Nice to see them on roads that I vaguely recognise, although they do get from one end to the other a lot faster than I ever did as a boy.

Thomas Voeckler takes the stage and GC.
Don't know what Roche was doing, totally missed TV getting the jump on him.
Nolte

Roche ****** it up
Good stage though
gerry12ie

Maybe Roche was distracted by Kirby's moronic commentary coming through his earpiece.  I know I was...
Nolte

Fleche du sud stage was cancelled after 10km as 35 riders involved in a crash on a descent

http://www.anpostchainreaction.co...ud-stage-by-stage-reports-254.htm
mazda

Tour of Belgium (don't they have enough already ?) sees a surprise winner of the prologue.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/...lgium-tour-2016/prologue/results/
gerry12ie

mazda wrote:
Tour of Belgium (don't they have enough already ?) sees a surprise winner of the prologue.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/...lgium-tour-2016/prologue/results/


I dont think anyone, including Van Aert, saw that one coming Shocked
mr shifter

gerry12ie wrote:
mazda wrote:
Tour of Belgium (don't they have enough already ?) sees a surprise winner of the prologue.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/...lgium-tour-2016/prologue/results/


I dont think anyone, including Van Aert, saw that one coming Shocked

I suppose it's not really a surprise on a quick tricky course, for a bike handler who is used to short sharp sprints to better a TT rider who is used to the big gears with his head down.  Rolling Eyes
Fontfroide

Just in case you were not looking carefully, the top country in the UCI rankings, officially and factually, is …. music ...

FRANCE
Nolte

Watching highlights of the aviva women's tour, that was a tight finish with the pack closing in but the cars and motorbikes still between tetrick and maderus/vos et al on those narrow streets at the finish
Biosphere

The headline got me excited, the story made me think that with 75km to go  it will make no difference to the race and it's more about privatising the Muur and selling more VIP packages.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/m...eturns-for-2017-tour-of-flanders/

I don't mind then trying to make money and stay afloat (especially as a counter weight to ASO), but this one seems cynical rather than sporting.
Biosphere

I'll stick this here for want of a better place. The war is over:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/p...oves-2017-uci-worldtour-calendar/
Nolte

this is of interest

Quote:

As for WorldTour teams, there will be 17 teams next year and each will be granted a two-year licence for 2017 and 2018, but the goal is to reduce the number of teams to 16 a year later, and for it to be set at 16 teams for 2019 and beyond.

The UCI described how the new WorldTour system will work in its statement, which read, “From the end of the 2018 season onwards, there will be an annual challenge system, based on an overall annual sporting classification, between the last ranked UCI WorldTeam and the top Pro Continental Team to enter as a UCI WorldTeam in the following season.

“In the event that a UCI WorldTeam drops out of the top tier, that team will have the right to participate in all the following season’s UCI WorldTour events, meaning that UCI WorldTeams will have stability for the three seasons 2017 to 2019.”


i was reading that bora were looking at applying for a worldtour licence so i guess unless there is another team folding i am forgetting about, ts to them
Fontfroide

Pinot wins the slightly hilly ITT national championship, and will wear the sacred jersey in the Tour.
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:
The headline got me excited, the story made me think that with 75km to go  it will make no difference to the race and it's more about privatising the Muur and selling more VIP packages.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/m...eturns-for-2017-tour-of-flanders/

I don't mind then trying to make money and stay afloat (especially as a counter weight to ASO), but this one seems cynical rather than sporting.

No, it's Oudenaarde that has now been built as the "Money making capital of RVV" and the Muur is but a token move to acknowledge the history of the race.
They started this promotion of Oudenaarde with a little property and some Pave blocks with some posters, when Oudenaarde was a place RVV passed through between the Molenberg climb and the Kluisbergen then on to the Cote de Trieu (or Flemish Knokteberg) but (having passed by within a half Km of the Koppenberg)
Then instead of going straight through Oudenaarde they deviated a route into the town when beforehand it had been a feeding zone along the river side before the real selection started.

Saturday (the eve of RVV) was a pleasant time to ride around the RVV and wave or chat with local clubmen but the racing culture brought the masses and that meant Gridlock. The present course means less rushing about for them and is inevitable to have a circuit finish.

When I first went over it started in Gent and finished just outside at Gentbrugge.
Biosphere

This is very sad Sad

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/s...e-state-with-severe-brain-damage/
Nolte

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/g...firm-sunweb-as-new-title-sponsor/

Must say that the management has done well to keep this team through so many short term sponsors

There was shimano, skil, the dundalk argos, currently giant-alpecin and now in 2017 sunweb
Boogerd_Fan

Majka (tinkoff) and konig (SKY) also to Bora
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Bauke to bounce back??

JRod please, to go out with a victory


Should have gone with your gut. Mollema attacks over the top of the last climb gets a small gap and the chase group of Gallopin, Valverde and Rodriguez are wary of towing each other to the line.

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