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Biosphere

2015 Grand Tour Routes

Time for a new one of these Smile I was going to post the photo under the "What Made You Smile" thread as I used to live a little bit beyond the hill in the background. I cycled across the viaduct many, many times and if I dropped down underneath it, it was my gateway to the mountains further back from the coast. And it's the town where the bloke who built my bike lives Smile

Anyway, enough of me indulging my memories - 10 days to go before Nibali is wrestling bears in Kazakhstan or something Wink

Slapshot 3

Stickied
MAILLOT JAUNE

That place looks lovely - what's it called Bio?
Biosphere

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
That place looks lovely - what's it called Bio?


Sori.

Giro passed through this year. It's very typical of the Ligurian region around Genoa - generally a rocky coast punctuated by towns with beaches. Photo is probably being used as the opening few days of the 2015 Giro will be in Liguria.
MAILLOT JAUNE

Thanks Bio. Never been to that part of Italy - another place to add to the list!
HuwB

Giro route ammounced later today/
According to "La Stampa", it will be this:

9 maggio, 1^ tappa San Lorenzo a Mare – Sanremo (Cronosquadre)
10 maggio, 2^ tappa Albenga – Genova
11 maggio, 3^ tappa Rapallo - Sestri Levante
12 maggio, 4^ tappa Chiavari – La Spezia
13 maggio, 5^ tappa Montecatini Terme – Abetone
14 maggio, 6^ tappa Sesto Fiorentino – Castiglione della Pescaia
15 maggio, 7^ tappa Grosseto - Viterbo
16 maggio, 8^ tappa Frosinone - Campitello Matese
17 maggio, 9^ tappa Benevento - San Giorgio del Sannio
18 maggio, Riposo
19 maggio, 10^ tappa Civitanova Marche - Forlì
20 maggio, 11^ tappa Forlì - Imola
21 maggio, 12^ tappa Imola - Jesolo
22 maggio, 13^ tappa Treviso - Valdobbiadene (Cronometro)
23 maggio, 14^ tappa Montecchio Maggiore - Vicenza
24 maggio, 15^ tappa Marostica - Madonna di Campiglio
25 maggio, Riposo
26 maggio, 16^ tappa Pinzolo - Aprica
27 maggio, 17^ tappa Tirano - Lugano
28 maggio, 18^ tappa Lugano - Verbania
29 maggio, 19^ tappa Gravellona Toce - Cervinia
30 maggio, 20^ tappa Saint Vincent - Sestriere
31 maggio, 21^ tappa Torino – Milano

Two early MTFs, but an easier third week than of late.
HuwB

All the profiles are now up on Steephill:

http://www.steephill.tv/giro-d-italia/

Only 5 MTFs next year, but more medium hills, I would say.
mazda

Sure I can count 6 Confused

Could argue that Tirano to Lugano to Verbania are disappointingly smooth.
But can't have 6 continuous days of mountains, can you ?
HuwB

mazda wrote:
Sure I can count 6 Confused

Could argue that Tirano to Lugano to Verbania are disappointingly smooth.
But can't have 6 continuous days of mountains, can you ?


Apparently, they have classified Abertone as "hilly" rather than a MTF.
OK, it's a shallow gradient, but go figure.......
Boogerd_Fan

Slightly less intense to cater for Nibali obviously needing to commit to both Giro & Tour??

Ironically in doing so, it probably reduces his chances of winning.
mazda

They are talking up the Verbania finish as Nibs friendly and RCS state that Nibali is going to ride.

Still a climbers Giro for me.
A cracking last two days.
Finestre is 18km at 9.2% average.
HuwB

Not at lot of interest in the route it seems? Confused

Maybe some pictures will help.

The non MTF, MTF. Abertone from the harder side. Certainly tougher than Montevergine for instance:



The "official" MTFs, where this year, it all seems to be about the penultimate climb, rather than the finish.:











The "Nibali" Stage:



The "Potential" Stages:







mazda

Stage 19 is in French.  Wink

And of course the Aprica stage always reminds me of Basso in 2006.
No Gavia this time though.
Mrs John Murphy

I find the prospect of Dertie and Vroome riding around like they are on motorbikes doesn't really fill me with excitement.
Bartali

I quite like it ... but I always like the Giro!! Smile
HuwB

Here you go, it's leaked a day before the presentation.
Note what is missing............

gerry12ie

Shurely shome mistake drunken no proper ITT Wink
Biosphere

Short ITT and 6 MTFs. Part of me thinks it's a spoof . . . Smile

MAILLOT JAUNE

Spot on!
Biosphere

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
Spot on!


Wiggins will be kicking himself for his decision to focus on the track in 2015 Wink
gerry12ie

Biosphere wrote:
MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
Spot on!


Wiggins will be kicking himself for his decision to focus on the track in 2015 Wink


I'm sure Tinkov would slip him the price of a new Rickenbacker and Orange amp to declare himself fit and rearing to go (100% in support of Chris of course...) Wink
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
Spot on!


Wiggins will be kicking himself for his decision to focus on the track in 2015 Wink


I assume you are being heavily ironic ? Rolling Eyes

I like the hill in the TTT.
Finishes off the first week of mini-classics quite well.

Is it enough to favour a pure climber - assuming all the strong GC guys have been to the Giro ?
gerry12ie

Froome seems to be veering towards the Giro as the extra TT kms suit him more (I never thought I would hear that said!) http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/f...ders-skipping-2015-tour-de-france

1st Week - Dutch coast crosswinds/headwinds, Mur de Huy, Cobbles, Mur Bretagne and time bonuses that should ensure the lead changes 5 or 6 times before the first rest day.  

I see crashes and lots of them
HuwB

So, even the TTT finishes up quite a hill?
Prudhomme taking some serious wee wee, next year.

Look what happens when the French get riders on the podium....
Boogerd_Fan

that route looks awesome. Not sure i agree it favours the French though. Less TT obviously does give the FDJ and AG2r guys some advantage.. but the extra climbing?

Unless there is one person who will really dominate the climbs (quintana-giro, nibs-tour in 2014) then it could be quite a ding-dong battle through to the Alps, with 4 days in a row, thats just anyone's game.

Could argue its a bit unbalanced with all the climbing in 2nd half of the race, but how unpredictable could be that first week and a half too?

Ironically if he can get his act together tactics wise, the best Frenchman in 2015 could turn out to be Rolland.
gerry12ie

For me, the biggest surprise is the 10-6-4 time bonifications, I really can't remember the last time the Tour went with those bonuses.  They should really suit Contador and Valverde the most, so I expect Quintana to feel the Movistar pinch if he rides it at all.  You would think Nibali should benefit from the bonuses as well but Astana made a mess of keeping Horner in check in La Vuelta and the few seconds they lost here and there proved to be very costly in the end.  

It's the most un-Tour TDF parcours you could imagine really, and it says it all that Froome is thinking of skipping it...
Biosphere

To add to the strangeness, I read the time bonuses are only in the first week!
Boogerd_Fan

Bio, if i understand correctly the 10-6-4 is whole race, and there are extended points for stage winners on flat stages to balance the green jersey contest.
mazda

I think it is the amended Green jersey points for the first 8 or 9 flat stages.
It rewards the stage winner, and to a lesser extent second place (by increasing the points for a win and reducing them for third and all lower places).
So finishing third or fourth on a lot of stages is unlikely to lead to a Green jersey win and a dominant sprint winner will likely win it.

Having said that the first week+ is varied enough that I can't see one sprinter dominating.


edit - funny how I misread it the first time round, it is the 9 flat stages, not the first 9 stages.

Quote:
Points classification: bonus for victory!
A new points distribution system will be implemented on the 9 flat stages of the 2015 Tour de France to give more importance to stage victories.
New distribution on "flat" stages:
50, 30, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10,  8,   7,  6,  5, 4, 3, 2 points for the first 15 riders completing the stage.
Former points distribution:
45, 35, 30, 26, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2 for the first 15 riders completing the stage.
Fontfroide

Wonder what Sagan thinks about the points on flat stages.  Maybe they want a "real" sprinter to win.   Rolling Eyes
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
To add to the strangeness, I read the time bonuses are only in the first week!


Bio is right.

Quote:
Seconds up for grabs

They had disappeared since 2008. Bonus seconds will again be awarded at the finishes of the 2nd to the 8th stage. The bonuses will be of 10, 6 and 4 seconds for the first three of each of these stages.
Nolte

gerry12ie wrote:
1st Week - Dutch coast crosswinds/headwinds, Mur de Huy, Cobbles, Mur Bretagne and time bonuses that should ensure the lead changes 5 or 6 times before the first rest day.  

I see crashes and lots of them


you'd be wondering what the damage to riders will be when after that first 8 stages coming to the team time trial, usually the ttt comes at 4 or 5 stages into the race rather than 9.

by stage 7 of this years tour, sky, trek and lampre were down to 7 riders so if this were to happen in 2015, by stage 9, they would be lacking when it comes to the team time trial
Boogerd_Fan

Fontfroide wrote:
Wonder what Sagan thinks about the points on flat stages.  Maybe they want a "real" sprinter to win.   Rolling Eyes



so far he only talked about how hard will be 6 MTF's Very Happy
gerry12ie

Good point Nolte.  I read that there is some rule that the TTT has to be during the first third of the race, but obviously that is being ignored if it is true. By stage 9 there should be some depleted outfits on the road.
Biosphere

Nolte wrote:


you'd be wondering what the damage to riders will be when after that first 8 stages coming to the team time trial, usually the ttt comes at 4 or 5 stages into the race rather than 9.

by stage 7 of this years tour, sky, trek and lampre were down to 7 riders so if this were to happen in 2015, by stage 9, they would be lacking when it comes to the team time trial


They are in breach of a UCI rule which states that the TTT has to come in the first third of a race to protect teams from the scenario you outline. They will have to get an exemption apparently. Edit: Didn't see Gerry's post explaining the same.

I would like that Froome is saying the Giro Vuelta double is attractive if I thought he meant it, but even if he is serious (maybe he's really had enough of the media circus and so on), I can't see Uncle Rupert being too happy about his sponsorship money not being directed at the Tour. And that's before Brailsford has his say.
Boogerd_Fan

I can see Froomey lining up at Giro to "battle" Bertie, pulling out and getting ready for the Tour fresh. Media spin, marketing etc. For SKY it's quite convenient to put Froome in the Giro lineup and entertain Tinkov's vision of the 3GT battle... use their arrogance against them... while intentionally only focusing on Tour.

Although personally i would like to see Konig given the chance to lead SKY in the Tour (assuming Froome goes to Giro/Vuelta). That would be revelation, confirming why he moved across to them, despite having 4-5 other offers from WT teams where he could be outright leader
Biosphere

Froome maybe drifting a little bit towards riding the Tour. Wonder though if Sky TV taking full ownership of Sky TV Italy earlier this week would change his sponsor's calculus a bit towards the value of the Giro?

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/11...ps-and-downs-in-everyones-career/
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
Froome maybe drifting a little bit towards riding the Tour. Wonder though if Sky TV taking full ownership of Sky TV Italy earlier this week would change his sponsor's calculus a bit towards the value of the Giro?

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/11...ps-and-downs-in-everyones-career/


In a word: Viviani. Wink
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
In a word: Viviani. Wink


I guess that's a synonym for "no" then Wink
HuwB

The Vuelta route has been unveiled:

http://www.lavuelta.com/15pr/en/recorrido/index.html?e=1

Stage 11 is a beaut, the rest: the usual fare.
HuwB

The Cafe has a decent run down on the route with all profiles:
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2015/1/10/7524987/vuelta-route-announced
Fontfroide

That route for the Vuelta looks really strange.  It really does not "ride around Spain" in any way at all.  It just pops up near a mountain or a city, then pops up again far away at another mountain or city.  Looks like a bunch of worms dumped on a map.  I never realised that I have a prejudice that the map of a Grand Tour should look a bit like it is riding around a country, with maybe two or three breaks (transfers).

But I expect that it will be a fine race if a few guys turn up for it.
Nolte

vuelta wildcards name - mtn, cofidis, europcar, caja rural and colombia
HuwB

The Giro roadbook is now available for download. (80mb, 430 pages and "borrowed from VR)

http://velorooms.com/roadbooks/2015/Giro2015.pdf
Biosphere

The Inner Ring has a scoop on the latest ASO anti Sagan measures for Le Tour. Not sure they need to bother with Tinkov as DS and Contador as the golden child

http://inrng.com/2015/05/tour-de-france-points-competition-rules/

In the comments, number cruncher says Sagan would still have won last year at a canter under new scheme.
gerry12ie

I'm in the camp that would prefer the points jersey to go to the most consistent finisher - Kelly, zabel, Sagan etc.  If a pure sprinter can hang around for the tougher finishes then he deserves to win the competition and if he can't then he shouldn't win it.

Less trains, more panache please.

I would like to see the old red jersey reinstalled as well, could lead to some more animation with the smaller teams contesting the intermediate catch sprints.

Or we could just listen to the radio transmissions for excitement instead...
gerry12ie

Are Saxo in danger of spreading themselves too thin for Contador in the tour if Sagan is looking for the points classification? Sky and Astana aren't in the frame for more than one competition and can just focus on one rider, although Sagan does tend to do his own thing anyway and probably functions just fine without the train...
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
Are Saxo in danger of spreading themselves too thin for Contador in the tour if Sagan is looking for the points classification? Sky and Astana aren't in the frame for more than one competition and can just focus on one rider, although Sagan does tend to do his own thing anyway and probably functions just fine without the train...


That was sort of what I was getting at. Uncle Oleg seems to want the double bad and I wouldn't be surprised if he sacrificed Sagan for that. Especially given the way he's been talking about him recently.
gerry12ie

Seeing how often Contador has been isolated in the Giro, what will the makeup of the TDF squad be?

Giro:

Contador
Kreuziger
Rogers
Basso
Tosatto
Boaro
Paulinho
Rovny
Jensen

Most have been MIA when the chips have been down, with Basso in particular being about as much help as an ashtray on a motorbike.  Might the TDF squad look something like this:

Contador
Sagan
Bennati
Breschel
Brutt
Kiserlovski
Majka
Sorenson
AN Other (Hernandez?)

Not a huge deal of mountain support for the leader and not a great deal of help for Sagan either methinks.  Last team to take overall and points classification was Telekom.  I think I recall hearing somewhere that they had some assistance though... Wink
Mrs John Murphy

Maybe they are saving their energy knowing that Dertie doesn't need their help closing down gaps of a minute etc
mazda

Evans has assessed the chances of the big four (he thinks Contador will be the one to miss out on a podium, even if he starts well).
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...ntador-nibali-froome-and-quintana
Not that exciting a read but he had this to say about Astana -
"Nibali will also have a very strong team – and expectations are that it will be stronger than the one that helped fellow Italian Fabio Aru win this year Giro d’Italia."  Shocked
I'm thinking a 10-man team.
Bartali

Nibs doesn't need a 10 man team ... just a bit of rain on stage 4 will do the trick Smile
Boogerd_Fan

i get a feeling that the rain dance already started at Bartali towers... some servants / maids at least.
HuwB

Very good stage by stage analysis of the Vuelta route:
http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/2015_vuelta_a_espana_route_analysis/
gerry12ie

HuwB wrote:
Very good stage by stage analysis of the Vuelta route:
http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/2015_vuelta_a_espana_route_analysis/


Thanks Huw, I don't know where you find the time but you are a treasure
HuwB

Those nice folks at Velorooms have a link to the race roadbook:

http://velorooms.com/roadbooks/2015/Vuelta2015.pdf
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Those nice folks at Velorooms have a link to the race roadbook:

http://velorooms.com/roadbooks/2015/Vuelta2015.pdf


Muchas Gracias Smile
Bartali

2016 Giro with 3 ITTs .... looks like they are trying to get Froome along for the party.
mazda

Bartali wrote:
2016 Giro with 3 ITTs .... looks like they are trying to get Froome along for the party.

So a bit like the 2014 Giro, but replacing the TTT. Sounds good enough.

I know about the "rolling" Chianti one around stage 9.
What is the other - uphill TT ?

100 laps of the Coloseum would be different - although how many riders you could have on the course at once might be a bit restrictive.
Bartali

... and the lions might get in the way! Wink

20km mountain ITT apparently.  No more details as yet.
HuwB

Just watched the route presentation bit and it looks........................awful.
Hardly a proper hill in sight (one, stage 6) until after the second rest day and even then there aren't many.
4 High mountain stages, but only 2 MTFs worthy of the name.

In short, it's a dog.
gerry12ie

FP - Moser Wink
mazda

I've come into this thread, gone out, come back and I'm sure some posts or content has vanished. Confused
gerry12ie

Might be the difference between the 2015 GT Routes thread and the 2016 GT Routes thread...

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