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gerry12ie

2014 Grand Tour Routes

To compensate for the shameless McQuaid nepotism that sees the Giro roll out from Belfast and Dublin it appears that the ZoncolanX2 might be on the cards

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2...lude-double-climb-of-the-zoncolan
Biosphere

Surely they should be doing it three times to trump any Huez twice in one day Tour softness?
Bartali

Believe me .... two Zoncolan trumps two Huez!!! Smile
HuwB

The 2014 Giro route..........allegedly:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/r...lia-route-to-honour-marco-pantani

Quote:
May 9, stage 1: Belfast-Belfast, team time trial
May 10, stage 2: Belfast-Belfast
May 11, stage 3: Armagh-Dublin
May 12: Rest day and transfer
May 13, stage 4: Bari-Taranto
May 14, stage 5: Taranto-Viggiano
May 15, stage 6: Sassano-Montecassino
May 16, stage 7: Frosinone-Foligno
May 17, stage 8: Foligno-Montecopiolo
May 18, stage 9: Lugo-Sestola
May 19: Rest day, Modena
May 20, stage 10: Modena-Salsomaggiore
May 21, stage 11: Correggio-Savona
May 22, stage 12: Barbaresco-Barolo, individual time trial – 46km
May 23, stage 13: Fossano-Rivarolo
May 24, stage 14: Agliè-Oropa
May 25, stage 15: Valdengo-Montecampione
May 26: Rest day, Ponte di Legno
May 27, stage 16: Ponte di Legno-Val Martello
May 28, stage 17: Sarnonico-Vittorio Veneto
May 29, stage 18: Belluno-Malga Panarotta
May 30, stage 19: Bassano-Monte Grappa, individual time trial.
May 31, stage 20: Maniago-Monte Zoncolan – 167km.
June 1, stage 21: Gemona-Trieste
Boogerd_Fan

OK, so Giro will win next year... comparitively the weather made it a bit tame in 2013.... but that looks quite tasty. I cannot even begin to imagine the fuss they'll make about Pantani tribute either.
Nolte

the big question is what road will they take to go from armagh to dublin. i think a nice scenic route would be fitting.

well not big question, out of personal interest more so.

i think take in some hills at what we refer to as the cooley mountains at the start from armagh to dundalk, some nice hills then. the long womens grave could be one in particular. then at dundalk instead of going straight to drogheda, cut off and go to mid louth and the road from ardee in mid louth to slane but by a back way, thats a bumpy ride and i just don't mean from the bad road service (although that adds to it), to get to slane, you get into hilly country and from slane, you could take a detour to the town duleek and from duleek, you could go to bellewstown. nice rolling land (although the flat from dundalk to ardee would put a person asleep. such a boring road) from ardee, slane, duleek, bellewstown and on to stamullen (stamullen --> real cycling country. they have no soccer time, but they have are loved cycling country) and then from stamullen to dublin, i don't really know much from that point on.

if rcs need someone to plan this, i am happily available.
HuwB

Route presentation is about to be given, live on Gazzetta:
http://videochat.gazzetta.it/index_Live01.shtml?c=H24_04

Basso chat atm.

Rrrright, all the profiles and technical info then:

http://www.gazzetta.it/Giroditali...appe/tappe.shtml?t=01&lang=it
gerry12ie

I think Porte will really fancy the route if Froome lets him play.  I'm unconvinced by the Mcquaid sponsored spin around Belfast and Dublin, it's totally unnecessary IMO but if it's windy the run around Belfast on the second stage could be tricky and might affect GC early on.  The TTT (they are very much back in vogue) seems too long at 21.7k and coupled with a 46k TT you would think that the list of real contenders would be very small, but there is a climb at the finish of the main ITT and then a mountain ITT to Cima Grappe to keep the climbers in play.  The last week looks very tough so lets hope the weather doesn't deny us some good racing.
HuwB

I'll be blunt, I don't like the route at all.
Ridiculously mountain back loaded, most being quite similar.
An ITT up Monte Grappa: really? Excessive and a waste of a fine mountain.

Where is next year's this:



Or this:



As for mountain stages, where's next year's this:



Or this:



Or even this:

berck

Froome is not excited about the rumors of the cobbles for 2014 at the Tour.

Froome not keen on cobbles at Tour de France

PS: I made 2014 a sticky and took the sticky off of 2013.
mr shifter

berck wrote:
Froome is not excited about the rumors of the cobbles for 2014 at the Tour.

Froome not keen on cobbles at Tour de France

Well he is not Anquetil or French to wish for longer TT's and an all round rider can handle a bit of Pave.
He will need to watch the road/pave some more and less at the performance gadgets.
Slapshot 3

Froomedog will be even more pissed off to read this.....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2...rate-world-war-i-with-ypres-stage
gerry12ie

Well, providing Froome can cope with the cobbles there is a nice 50k Indurain memorial TT to cheer him up

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2...indurain-with-bergerac-time-trial
Biosphere

I'd have thought that ASO would stay away from associating too closely with any past legends what with all the renewed talk of truth and reconciliation.

Some more details leaking

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/f...-finishes-for-2014-tour-de-france
gerry12ie

So, 5 MTFs and only 1 ITT - and this on stage 5...




Carrefour de l'Arbre, Mons-en-Pevele, Orchies and Hornaing means a proper day's racing and probably pain for some.  TBH I can sympathise with the Bartali position as the cobbles might well finish someone's race completely but I also believe that pros should be able to handle whatever routes are put to them and I did enjoy the first week of the 2010 Tour more than most TDFs.  All in all its a bit meh though...
Boogerd_Fan

I think the route is quite interesting. Are people generally reacting negatively, because its pretty evident whatever ASO would come up with, there is only one guy who is good enough at all disciplines to actually be a favourite?

Take Froome out and there would be something for everyone:
- minimal TT KM.. 54 isn't as bad as the 100-odd in 2012...
- 5 MTFs' .. not bad considering the loss of stages to UK and Belgium... they still end up with plenty of days in mountains.

Obviously they're banking on the climbers actually taking it to Froome and the spectacle of him either wrestling (or not) the Yellow Jersey away from them in the final TT.
HuwB

First thoughts.
Likes: The mix of parcour from Ypres to Oyonnax, in particular the Vosges stages.
Dislikes: Heavily back loading the race again and some of the major mountain stages, in general. They look a bit same 'ol..........but then again Le Tour is limited.
One long ITT.
mazda

Like the way there is a proper descent finish in the Pyrenees for a change.
And the Mulhouse stage looks good on paper.

Have to decide on whether to get the train to York to see the Stage 2 depart, or train to Strasbourg for a more continental experience.
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
And the Mulhouse stage looks good on paper.


I think I could cope with a long weekend across the border in Alsace Smile
MAILLOT JAUNE

Tempted to see the stage finish in Reims, although I might be a little worse for wear, when the riders arrive, after sampling all the choices of Champagne!!!!!!!!!  Wink
Bartali

Cote de Jenkin Hill  Rolling Eyes

Brings back memories ... but it was just plain old Jenkin Hill back in the day!  Not sure how close to the finish line it is though.
Biosphere

I thought they had moved on from this carry on once Wiggins went back on the pork pies?

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/...in-froome-sky-2014-tour-de-france
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
I thought they had moved on from this carry on once Wiggins went back on the pork pies?

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/...in-froome-sky-2014-tour-de-france


The only way it will happen is if Wiggins is prepared to go back to his French road roots and becomes Froome's water boy.
He'll not lead another Sky GT team, unless injury befalls the squad.
Biosphere

I think the article says similar. I just thought that it was more or less decided that Wiggins had put the weight on for good and was transitioning back to track. Oh well, more media spats maybe.

Nice wrote up on the cobbles. Not as bad as might might have seemed from the names of the sectors alone

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID...on-the-road-to-Yellow-Heaven.aspx
SlowRower

Biosphere wrote:
I think the article says similar. I just thought that it was more or less decided that Wiggins had put the weight on for good and was transitioning back to track. Oh well, more media spats maybe.


Even a track-weight Wiggo, if motivated and on form, would be in Sky's top team on merit, I'd think. He could "do a job" in the mountains, and then be a contender in the ITT at the very least.

The UK-based start can't be irrelevant in this latest move. Wiggo might not be the defending champ or a realistic contender, but he'd still attract 10 times more publicity than Froome, who has a talent for inconspicuousness on a par with the Invisible Man.

Maybe Sky's marketing department has realised that Froome is virtually worthless PR-wise, whereas Wiggo, on his home turf, would be box-office gold, but only if he's riding prominently, and are preparing the ground for the Prodigal Son to return.
Boogerd_Fan



thats one reason to be cheerful right there. brutal day up & down...
HuwB

Definitely. For once they are putting the Vosges to really good use.
I also love this finish:

Bartali

SlowRower wrote:


Even a track-weight Wiggo, if motivated and on form, would be in Sky's top team on merit, I'd think. He could "do a job" in the mountains, and then be a contender in the ITT at the very least.


Has a "track-weight Wiggo" ever broken the top 10 in a GT?  If I remember correctly you once argued that the only reason he was a GT contender was that he lost all that weight?  The domestique to champion diet!
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
SlowRower wrote:


Even a track-weight Wiggo, if motivated and on form, would be in Sky's top team on merit, I'd think. He could "do a job" in the mountains, and then be a contender in the ITT at the very least.


Has a "track-weight Wiggo" ever broken the top 10 in a GT?  If I remember correctly you once argued that the only reason he was a GT contender was that he lost all that weight?  The domestique to champion diet!


He'd only need to be the 9th best Sky rider to justify selection on merit, which certainly wouldnt involve the top 10.

A prominent role on the penultimate climb or the lower slopes of the final climb would keep the sponsors happy and leave Porte, Henao and maybe Kennaugh to shepherd Froome to the top.

If I was Sir Dave, I'd be tying in taking next year's Tour seriously in a support role as a precondition for some sort of dispensation re TP preparations for Rio. For example, he can choose which world cup events he rides instead of being sent of Khazakstan or Columbia etc.
gerry12ie

How can Wiggins possibly get in the team past Phil Deignan? Wink
ventoux

gerry12ie wrote:
How can Wiggins possibly get in the team past Phil Deignan? Wink

Very Happy  Very Happy
Bartali

Bartali wrote:


Has a "track-weight Wiggo" ever broken the top 10 in a GT?  If I remember correctly you once argued that the only reason he was a GT contender was that he lost all that weight?  The domestique to champion diet!


Typo .... it was meant to read "top 100"!!!
SlowRower

Very good, Bart!
Fontfroide

Tour 2014

I am not going to read what I did last year, until I finish this.  So far, I have to admit that I have not studied the route minutely.  I am sure I care, but some bits, some areas, are a mystery to me.  I might well look at a couple of other commentators after I finish, to see what they say.  

I think it looks like Tour as normal.  A new kind of normal from a couple of decades ago, but it seems familiar.  The luckiest and strongest cyclist will win, assuming he has a bit of help from a pretty strong team.  What is noteworthy?  They start in England (more below). No team time trial, which suits me.  I like it to watch it live in person, but I don't think it makes good TV and often I find the effect on the GC a little bit too much.  One longish time trial, 54k on flattish countryside, I think.  Second shortest TT distance this century.  Some cobblestones for one stage, which is kind of interesting in a spectacle kind of way.  But the truth is that although a Tour can be ruined for anyone in the first few days.  A huge peloton on the cobbles, early in the race, makes it a serious crash a little bit more likely.  That always seems a potential minor tragedy.  Then the riders cross some unfamiliar country to take on the Vosges.  I am not really familiar with the north of France, living in the south and having taken all my holidays (except one in Brittany, which is totally ignored this year) in the south.  The Vosges mountains are second level, moyenne mountains, but the organisers have rather imaginatively put together some routes in those hills that could be surprisingly telling.  But I don't know the Vosges very well.  There is a nod to the Alps, climbing some mountains, but the climax is meant to be the three full days in the Pyrenees and the long time trial at the very end.  Four of the last five days of the race are where several GC contenders, assuming there are several, will mess up.  In between the Alps and the Pyrenees they manage to skip over the entire area from Nimes to Carcasonne, so I would have to make a planned overnight trip to see the Tour.  Anyone want to see the Tour for three days in the Pyrenees?  Maybe we could stay with a friend?

The first two days are worth a paragraph on their own.  The two stages in Yorkshire, riding many roads I know a bit, is in my native countryside.  Everyone in France will see the area and many hundreds of thousands of cyclists in Britain will get the extra added Tour feeling.  It should be utterly fantastic.  England is such a small country that anyone who is a cycling nut will get there.  And plenty of big cities within striking distance to empty out with casual fans during the Grand Depart.  Nearly any cyclist in the UK will know another cyclist they can stay with during those two days.  Already I have heard the plans of one small group I know.  They will ride out from Lancaster into the Dales, picking a strategic viewing point, then ride back after the races.  Probably a day of 150k or more, but with long hours of daylight, the rest while experiencing the joys of the seeing the Tour, and being with pals, it should pass quickly enough.  Two days of long rides and seeing the Tour on the very roads you know well is probably not going to happen again in their lifetimes.  It is  a big temptation to go over for the first two days.  Of course they have to go to London for a flat stage (where of course there will be more people), but two full days in Yorkshire could be a Tour “Memory”.

I am wondering about the notoriously bad surfaces of British roads, maybe including some of the ones in the Dales.  My memory was of roads with the wrong camber on curves, and a rough surface that French roads simply don't have.  I wonder if they will do the re-surfacing that is always apparent on the Tour roads.  Yorkshire roads are sometimes narrow and lined with stone walls, someone will most likely crash and hopefully not hurt themselves too badly.

There are quite a few stages for the sprinters, I might have counted nine.  Five finishes up hills, ranging from the short steep to the long steep.  In fact, if one counts a short steep hill early on, you could say there are six stages that finish up a hill.  In fact, the five true mountain finishes are more than any time this century, except 2002, when there were also five.  Plenty of time for climbers to do their deeds.  There are also a few stages made for escapees.  The tour will be long, hot, probably have a bit of rain, like it always is.  The favourite is Froome, battling Nibali and the rest.  But we shall see who actually rides in a six months.  The ASO, owners of the tour, are refining the formula they have developed over the last few years.  One or two little spectacle things, like Normandy graveyards and starting in Yorkshire.  And the cobbles.  Trying to build in one or two surprises early on, but basically structuring it so that if they have their way, it will be decided in the final time trial or the final mountains stages in the Pyrenees.  If there were two evenly matched riders at the top, with some known time triallist fourth within a minute or two, then it might be good.  But it is more likely that the last stage, climbing the Tourmalet from the La Mongie side, and then descending to finish climbing Hautacam will be the deciding one.  That should be a very pretty two hours of TV.   Wonder if I will ever ride up it again?  

As for these Pyrenéen stages, they have loads of possibilities.  The first ends up downhill, straight downhill, no flat bits.  Someone will gain lots of time on that descent for sure.  That first stage goes on a road I have never noticed while poring over my maps.  After climbing a couple of small hills, it descends and goes across the valley and climbs up from Mauleon-Brousse, the Port de Bales,  On my map, part of that climb up to Port de Bales is marked with red and white bands, which means a rickety old, narrow road.  The descent to Bagneres looks very fast.  The second stage looks like a nearly classic sawtooth, four appreciable climbs in a row ending at the St. Lary ski station.  It looks at first glance that there is not much respite at all in that stage, up, down, and up pretty quickly.  This is a stage where someone who is dropped early on could lose a whole lot of time and because it so short, only 125k, there could also be some riders eliminated on time delay.  Although none of the climbs are classic tough ones, there really is not much relief.  The next day is up the Tourmalet, ride down, and climb Hautacam, another short day at 145k.  Fast racing.  Very hard stages.  No hard riding about for an hour or two before the action starts, and then on climb for victory.  Those two shortish stages with climbs at the end should be really good.

Short note.  They jump over my home, we are about halfway between Nimes where a stage ends, and Carcasonne where the first Pyrenéen stage begins.  We have had plenty of starts and finishes over the last few years, so fair enough.  The entire vast centre of France, Brittany, the entire Massif Central, all of Brittany and most of the west coast are totally skipped.  Very oddly shaped trajectory this year.  Blame it on the three days in England.  I think my only hope is to find a friend in the Pyrenees who wants to put me up, maybe with a pal or two, or get a lucky reservation,  Unachieved goal for 2014?  Ride around watching the Tour with a few pals on bikes.

One special day could well be the stage on 14 July in the Vosges.  It looks like a classic sawtooth profile, medium mountain stage.  Looks awful, although the climbs are not as long or hard as the big mountain climbs.  It should be quite wearing on everyone unless they somehow all agree to just ramble along.  If there is some real racing, it will all end on the climb of Le Plateau des Belles Filles, on the Tour two years ago.  Froome won his first stage there.  It is a rather short stage, 161 k, so someone will make moves.  And if they go fast, there could be some eliminations on time, even if the hills hare not awesome.

So enough for the sprinters, climbers and chancers.  Some space for early drama, and clearly arranged for late drama, assuming Froome does not wipe them all out again after the first stage in the Pyrenees.  What more can I say.  Vive le Tour.
mr shifter

Fontfroide wrote:
Tour 2014


Cool it son, FFS. Yawn.
The next GT I'm interested in,  is the "GIRO".
Was your post misplaced and meant to go elsewhere.  Question
Fontfroide

Grand Tour Routes 2014, this thread, yeah?

Are you OK?
mazda

Well, this isn't Facebook, but I liked your post FF.

Not sure what is up with Mr. S.
Bartali

I think Mr S can't get excited by the Tour ... at least not until the Giro is finished.  I'm with him all the way on that .... but always very pleased to read FFs museings - long may they continue!

FF - They've been up Port du Bales two or three times since 2007 when they laid tarmac at the top of the climb.  It's not the widest of roads by any means but nothing too out of the ordinary.  Wasn't 'chaingate' at the top of the Bales?
gerry12ie

FF, if you think the Yorkshire roads are bad I can assure you they will be like bowling greens in comparison to what the Giro will be facing on some of the Irish roads...

Nice musings
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:


FF - They've been up Port du Bales two or three times since 2007 when they laid tarmac at the top of the climb.  It's not the widest of roads by any means but nothing too out of the ordinary.  Wasn't 'chaingate' at the top of the Bales?


By Golly, you are right.  They went up Port De Bales three times already.  2007, 2010 and 2012.  Clearly my map does not take into account the new road surface, and my memory, well, I won't say anything about that.  

And yes, Andy's gears failed him in 2010 on exactly that climb.  

Apparently it was hardly even paved before the Tour climbed it.  Another example of the hidden costs of the Tour.  And of course, the improvements to infrastructure for the French people.  Will they do that in Yorkshire I wonder.
Biosphere

I'd been saving reading this until I'd had a spare 10 mins. Thanks for taking the time to put your thoughts down. Until the clocks went back, the end of my cycle commute home in the evenings finished up with me climbing the hill we live on and looking out across the Swiss border into the Alsace and the Vosges in the sunsetting distance. They are serious looking climbs. I had been thinking to myself I must go cycle in them sometime and now I have an excuse to visit Smile

My one thought on the course in general is that I can imagine ASO sitting down and asking where are Sky weak and coming up with the answer of one day classics. I know there's the far more important WW1 anniversary, but it won't have hurt that the cobbles will stress Sky a bit too?
Fontfroide

No doubt Froome is the least happy of the Sky lads with the cobbles.  But there are loads of guys on Sky who can give him a bit of help, and who are pretty strong riders.  I hope nothing happens though, nothing serious to any contender.  Losing a few minutes is fine.  Makes a better race.

It is true over the years that the ASO change the course to suit some rider or team and also to limit a dominant team or rider.  I can imagine the committee meeting where they begin to put the details together, meetings which have already taken place of course.  Preliminary ones, for 2015.  Someone will want to screw Sky or Froome, but won't say it out loud.  Or maybe he might.  Others will want to make a "fair" Tour, with some French tourist areas and attractions shown at their best.  Others will want to help a particular rider.  Can you imagine when the French have a reasonable idea who might be their next champion, they will surely design a parcours that suits the French champ.  

Those are the kind of conversations I would love to have on tape becasue I imagine that most of the higher level decisions (how can we help Froome lose or win) are taken.  Or maybe in the bars afterwards.

Taking Froome across the cobbles will add a bit to the uncertainty.  Mind you, it is only one day, and Froome can ride a bike, and he will have some help.  I just think of Stannard as a guy I would like to follow.  And i f he got tired, Geraint is not bad.  Still, all guesswork.  I need those tapes.
Bartali

Why are we assuming that the cobbles disadvantage Froome?  I can't see any reason why he would struggle anymore than Nibali, J-rod, Schleck's etc?
gerry12ie

I agree with Bart - there's no real reason to think Froome would be any more disadvantaged than any other GT contender, except that Froome himself has expressed concerns about it.  Not the smartest thing to do IMO, and a bit like Pinot admitting he doesn't do descending, as it reveals a weakness that opponents will work to exploit.

If he stays on Spartacus' wheel he will be alright... Very Happy
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
Why are we assuming that the cobbles disadvantage Froome?  I can't see any reason why he would struggle anymore than Nibali, J-rod, Schleck's etc?


I assume he can ride a bike well, but he has been quoted often expressing concerns.  No idea why he is doing that, although I assume it is becasue he does not like riding on the cobbles.  Probably nothing of any importance will happen, its only 15k.
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
Why are we assuming that the cobbles disadvantage Froome?  I can't see any reason why he would struggle anymore than Nibali, J-rod, Schleck's etc?


Excellent point. Froome has expressed his unhappiness about the cobbles which appears to have been interpreted as weakness on cobbles. The only comment I've read Froome make was along the lines of "It's not about getting dropped. It's about the increased risk of losing time or getting injured due to a crash."

In the Clinic the view has always been that because Froome is a Sky "lab rat" and has an awful riding style he must be a bad bike handler. This view changed recently when an ardent anti-Froome regular posted a link to a video of Froome on his TT bike on rollers, which is apparently very difficult to do, so his bike handling is most likely fine.
berck

gerry12ie wrote:

If he stays on Spartacus' wheel he will be alright... Very Happy


Wouldn't it be best to say if he 'can' or 'is able'? Wink
Biosphere

I don't think Froome is disadvantaged by cobbles, more that ASO would design a course that didn't play to his strengths so much as this years. Hence the small amount of ITT km too?
mr shifter

Seen it all before.
Armstrong was led through the Pave by Ekimov and Hincapie who led at such a pace that Mayo couldn't get back and lost more time from his mishap, crash.

It was said by many at the time, that the TDF did arrange suitable courses for Anquetil regarding mountains and Time Trials.  Rolling Eyes

A little more respect please because the British Army did Fire the first shots of the 1914-18 war at MONS in Belgium where there is a Graveyard with German & British dead together.
Then the retreat from an overwhelming army over Pave roads through St Quentin. ie Paris-Roubaix roads
HuwB

Looks like the organizers are planning another Vuelta climbfest for 2014.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/s...-mount-up-at-2014-vuelta-a-espana
berck

HuwB wrote:
Looks like the organizers are planning another Vuelta climbfest for 2014.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/s...-mount-up-at-2014-vuelta-a-espana


Lucky for Horner... Wink
HuwB

Bosses considering cutting the length the Vuelta:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/l...vuelta-a-espana-up-for-discussion

Quote:
Vuelta a España director Javier Guillén has revealed his vision for the Spanish Grand Tour, revealing he is ready to discuss cutting the length of the race as long as there is some significant payoff, primarily a stronger field on the start-line.


Check out the comment underneath about the Volta.
berck

HuwB wrote:
Bosses considering cutting the length the Vuelta:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/l...vuelta-a-espana-up-for-discussion

Quote:
Vuelta a España director Javier Guillén has revealed his vision for the Spanish Grand Tour, revealing he is ready to discuss cutting the length of the race as long as there is some significant payoff, primarily a stronger field on the start-line.


Check out the comment underneath about the Volta.


Look at this comment
Speaking about the possibility of these changes including the introduction of a third rest day or even a cut to the three-week duration of the Vuelta and the Giro d’Italia, so that they run for two weeks or a little more

When does ASO have any control over the Giro? Looks to me that ASO is trying to do their best to down play the Vuelta and the Giro with respect to the Tour.
HuwB

Agreed.
The idea that the Giro would become no longer than a race like Langkawi, or the Vuelta a Bolivia is frankly, repulsive.
gerry12ie

I don't buy it - I reckon much of it is down to posturing before the new boss.  Still, the Giro has gone a funny direction under Acquarone so far (although a little stay in the big house might sort that out Wink ), especially with the revamped TV deal last year so I guess nothing is impossible...

Bring back Zomegnan!
HuwB

Finally, we have La Vuelta's 2014 route:

http://www.lavuelta.com/14pr/es/index.html

Easy to scroll through the etapas to find the profiles.

I don't like it.
Only one, real multi-col stage.
The rest mostly seem to be a climb tagged on the back of a flat or rolling stage, as per usual.
The penultimate stage up Ancares will be a whole lot of nothing, as per usual.
Boogerd_Fan

something for J-Rod?
HuwB

Tour wild cards:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-2014-wildcards-selected

Cofidis, IAM Cycling, Bretagne-Séché Environnement and NetApp-Endura
gerry12ie

While I think of it, if anyone intends to visit the Belfast or Dublin for the Giro I will be available for any or all of the following:

Bicycle rides
Pointing at things
Drinking pints
Talking bollocks

Mi casa es su casa...

Seriously

Unless gabby is a dunkleosteus turns up... Very Happy
maffy

that's remarkably kind, although your lack of large aquatic facilities is something of a disappointment...

before christmas plotted the route to the top of buttertubs for the tour. could do some hills on the way back if you want Wink


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...or park up at tan hill or something...
HuwB

The ASO now own 100% of the Vuelta.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/a...-ownership-of-the-vuelta-a-espana

Next up, the RCS and the Giro. Sad
Fontfroide

I remember the old days when I never even knew that "The Tour de France" or any cycling race, was "owned".  That it was a business, making money.  Not sure what I thought, probably that it was an event organised by "France", for human betterment and the common good.

Now I often just follow the money, and recognise a spectacle when I see one.  While still enjoying it immensely, as you all know.

Must be what I call a "comfortable tension".
berck

HuwB wrote:
The ASO now own 100% of the Vuelta.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/a...-ownership-of-the-vuelta-a-espana

Next up, the RCS and the Giro. Sad


Hmm, are we going to start hearing about a two week Vuelta again???
Biosphere

I wonder how much of the two week stuff was a McQuaid initiative to make room for new global adventures and swell the UCI coffers? Might ASO be more interested in selling a 3rd week of TV rights for an established GT, rather than a new Tour of Crimea or wherever? Just a thought . . . .
berck

Well, with the Vuelta, I thought it was always their own idea. Heck, I seem to remember an article last year where they were also talking about doing the same for the Giro, but I can't find that one now (wasn't RCS's idea).

Vuelta a España director Javier Guillén has revealed his vision for the Spanish Grand Tour, revealing he is ready to discuss cutting the length of the race as long as there is some significant payoff, primarily a stronger field on the start-line.
From Length of the Vuelta a España up for discussion

But, it could have all started with McQuaid pushing for it.
mazda

Tour De Yorkshire

Seems like the best place to announce.

From 2015 - Tour De Yorkshire

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/...th-ASO-and-Welcome-to-Yorkshire-0

And yes, ASO are involved.

edit
Feel like there should be an apostrophe in there somewhere.
But "Tour d'Yorkshire" doesn't roll.
Biosphere

Giro Tweaks.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/g...ia-tweaks-time-bonuses-and-points
SlowRower

Re: Tour De Yorkshire

mazda wrote:
Seems like the best place to announce.

From 2015 - Tour De Yorkshire

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/...th-ASO-and-Welcome-to-Yorkshire-0

And yes, ASO are involved.

edit
Feel like there should be an apostrophe in there somewhere.
But "Tour d'Yorkshire" doesn't roll.


I think "The Tour" will suffice for the Yorkshire event and "Le Tour" for the French version.

If there's any confusion, simply refer to the most important version as "The Tour", with the other version referred to by its geography.

That will give us "The Tour" and "The Tour de France". No tounge-twisters and a fair reflection of geopolitical trends.
Bartali

That'll be t'tour then? Smile
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
That'll be t'tour then? Smile


Aye. Thart reet there, lad.
HuwB

The Giro provisional startlist.
The usual mix of the good, the bad and you're having a laugh, teams.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/giro-ditalia/start-list
SlowRower

Unlike the 2012 Olympics, there's going to be a real "legacy" from T'Grand Depart in Yorkshire - tarmac!

There's a lot of it being put down at the moment on the Tour route and whilst some more would be nice, there are several notorious pothole/ironwork sections that are now smooth enough to play snooker on. Smile
ventoux

HuwB wrote:
The Giro provisional startlist.
The usual mix of the good, the bad and you're having a laugh, teams.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/giro-ditalia/start-list


Interesting (but not unexpected) BBC approach to this.... under the heading of "Sky names Giro team" they post two photos, both of riders who won't be in the squad (and never were going to be in the squad), yes, of course, it's Wiggins & Froome.....   BUT, on a more positive note, good to see my local lad Philip Deignan is in there....  Very Happy
Fontfroide

SlowRower wrote:
Unlike the 2012 Olympics, there's going to be a real "legacy" from T'Grand Depart in Yorkshire - tarmac!

There's a lot of it being put down at the moment on the Tour route and whilst some more would be nice, there are several notorious pothole/ironwork sections that are now smooth enough to play snooker on. Smile


I know from experience that this happens for the Tour all over France, and I wondered if the "Power of the Tour" would reach into the Dales.  Guess I got my answer.  Thanks SR.  Mind you, some of the roads in England and in the Dales are just awful, so at least some of the repair work gets pushed up a bit.
Fontfroide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP3Bch8YjuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j...PpJQ4&feature=player_embedded

Goodness.  Nice rides.
Bartali

I know both of those roads very well ... and will probably be watching on Jenkin Hill.  Shame it is 5km from the finish.  Not the poshest part of Sheffield, but it would have been nice to finish at Concorde park just over the peak.  Plenty of room and it would make a nice 'Ardennes' style finish.
Bartali

Any news from Italy?  Isn't the Giro 2015 announced today?
billgull

Bartali wrote:
Any news from Italy?  Isn't the Giro 2015 announced today?


Your wish is my command!  Very Happy

http://velonews.competitor.com/20...-along-the-italian-riviera_338835
Bartali

Cheers Bill
gerry12ie

That opening sector might make a very nice little weekend away? Very Happy
Slapshot 3

gerry12ie wrote:
That opening sector might make a very nice little weekend away? Very Happy


Sounds like it....

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