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HuwB

2013 Grand Tour Routes

Time to start next year's GT route thread.
I just wish that the rumour mill was providing better news:

http://www.velowire.com/article/6...-le-parcours-et-les-etapes--.html

If the guy has got it right, but the blanks remain just that, then boy, this could out turkey their 2012 effort. Sad
Bartali

Ventoux and Alp d'Huez .... thats as far as my French goes. Sad
kathy

That route doesn't sound very likely to me.  ´Where are the Pyrenees?
Biosphere

kathy wrote:
. . . ´Where are the Pyrenees?


Between France and Spain Wink
gerry12ie

Biosphere wrote:
kathy wrote:
. . . ´Where are the Pyrenees?


Between France and Spain Wink


Ah, where Franco kept his armies...
berck

Biosphere wrote:
kathy wrote:
. . . ´Where are the Pyrenees?


Between France and Spain Wink


Very Happy I should have thought of that one. Great response!
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
kathy wrote:
. . . ´Where are the Pyrenees?


Between France and Spain Wink


Ah, where Franco kept his armies...


I thought he kept his armies up his sleevies ...
Beasley

Bartali wrote:
Ventoux and Alp d'Huez .... thats as far as my French goes. Sad

The only French you need to know is 'contre la montre' ... and there's plenty of it! Very Happy
Bartali

Two ITT and a TTT?  

Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes
bianchigirl

Loads of TT miles & no Pyrenees - seems like Sky have bought themselves another snoozefest of a route - no wonder Wiggins is already making noises that he'll have another crack at it.

Seriously disappointed in ASO if this route is true - and velowire is usually bang on the money. It's a turkey for a centenary parcours - another Tour de Bore.
mazda

I'd still expect Contador to beat Wiggins, which I guess isn't any more palatable to some than this years snoozefest.
Slapshot 3

That looks crap!!

Problem is I suspect they wanted to include all the original cities from 1903 and this might be he only way of doing it, I tried but the inclusion of three stages in Corsica kind of buggered up my plan!! The hypothesis is great but lets see what happens


PS Stickied....I'll unsticky the 2012 thread
Nolte

what i am wondering is how can they avoid the col d'ospideal in the first 3 days?
HuwB

Maybe a light at the end of the Pyreneean tunnel.

Updates suggest that Friday could be the now typical Pailheres - Ax 3 Domaines stage,  Saturday possibly the Tourmalet - Soulor - Spandelles stage that could finish in Lourdes or Hautacam.
SlowRower

HuwB wrote:
...stage that could finish in Lourdes or Hautacam.


A Hautacam finish would be good. Not only is it a scenic climb, with lots of changes in gradient, but there is performance data readily available from 1996, 2000 and 2008, all of which were decidely dodgy years in their own way. Thus, the final climb would provide data to help assess just how clean the new era of clean cycling really is.
MrsSR

SlowRower wrote:
HuwB wrote:
...stage that could finish in Lourdes or Hautacam.


A Hautacam finish would be good. Not only is it a scenic climb, with lots of changes in gradient, but there is performance data readily available from 1996, 2000 and 2008, all of which were decidely dodgy years in their own way. Thus, the final climb would provide data to help assess just how clean the new era of clean cycling really is.

And there's a fab luge at the top.
HuwB

Giro Galibier finish confirmed:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/c...h-confirmed-for-2013-giro-ditalia

But the rest of the announcement doesn't bode well.

Quote:
"The next Giro will be of course a very tough race," said Acquarone. "We used to say it's the toughest race in the world with all the mountains, but the next year will be very well-balanced.

"I spoke to all the teams and all the teams said they care about the Giro, but now they want to see the route so they can figure out the best riders to come. Bradley Wiggins, Alberto Contador, Cadel Evans, Vincenzo Nibali and all the other big stars are very welcome, but we have to wait to understand their programmes.

"Next year will be the 100th anniversary of the Tour de France, and they will have to choose. I believe they can come to the Giro, have a very good Giro and then go do the Tour. I hope they will try to get the double. If they want to try to do something really special then next year will be a very good year to try."


My guess is a watered down course in an attempt to attract big names will end in a watered down course.
Biosphere

It's such a mistake to try to compete with the Tour on the Tour's terms Rolling Eyes

Offer up a course that should be a good spectacle and let the rest follow. You would hope they might have learnt something from the Vuelta this year in that respect.
SlowRower

MrsSR wrote:
And there's a fab luge at the top.


I think a team time trial down said luge course would be a superb feature for the second rest day. Not only would it provide a spectacle that could not be equalled outside of Lightwater Valley, but it would put the riders on an equal footing with regards to how they react to the second rest day, which as Phil and Paul always point out, can be a bit variable. Plus, as I recall, there's a burger concession at the top, so Berto wouldn't need to import any dodgy beef for his rest-day protein top up.
bianchigirl

HuwB wrote:
Giro Galibier finish confirmed:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/c...h-confirmed-for-2013-giro-ditalia

But the rest of the announcement doesn't bode well.

Quote:
"The next Giro will be of course a very tough race," said Acquarone. "We used to say it's the toughest race in the world with all the mountains, but the next year will be very well-balanced.

"I spoke to all the teams and all the teams said they care about the Giro, but now they want to see the route so they can figure out the best riders to come. Bradley Wiggins, Alberto Contador, Cadel Evans, Vincenzo Nibali and all the other big stars are very welcome, but we have to wait to understand their programmes.

"Next year will be the 100th anniversary of the Tour de France, and they will have to choose. I believe they can come to the Giro, have a very good Giro and then go do the Tour. I hope they will try to get the double. If they want to try to do something really special then next year will be a very good year to try."


My guess is a watered down course in an attempt to attract big names will end in a watered down course.


Amazing, Wiggins says he wants to try and win the Giro & behold, the Giro course is watered down to suit.

After the rumours that Sky paid off ASO for a TdF course to suit Wiggins last year, the rumour mill will grind again...
kathy

SlowRower wrote:
MrsSR wrote:
And there's a fab luge at the top.


I think a team time trial down said luge course would be a superb feature for the second rest day. Not only would it provide a spectacle that could not be equalled outside of Lightwater Valley, but it would put the riders on an equal footing with regards to how they react to the second rest day, which as Phil and Paul always point out, can be a bit variable. Plus, as I recall, there's a burger concession at the top, so Berto wouldn't need to import any dodgy beef for his rest-day protein top up.


Lightwater Valley??  OMG!  Memories..... Laughing  Wink
SlowRower

kathy wrote:
Lightwater Valley??  OMG!  Memories..... Laughing  Wink


OMG indeed! We spent a very happy day there earlier this summer, even if I spent rather too much of it looking at the sky oscillating wildly through my feet wondering why everyone bar me was enjoying it!
kathy

I have some photos of my husband and a couple of young relatives upside down on something that did double loops!  Needless to say, i opted out - I'm a wimp as far as things like that are concerned.

Can't see them doing it on bikes though! Laughing
SlowRower

kathy wrote:
Can't see them doing it on bikes though! Laughing


Nothing that happens on the second rest day would surprise me!
Slapshot 3

Went to Lightwater when the boss was pregnant with Bex.....she blagged in as a pensioner because there was no way in hell she was going on any of the rides....Chancer!!

The big rollercoaster was incredible but was eclipsed by the luge rides at Fort Fun in the Sauerland in Germany....BRILLIANT... (even though I fell off and got worse road rash than ive ever had on the road)
HuwB

Coming to a forum near you, this coming Sunday.

The 2013 Giro promo, another Gladiator type production:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmhd0jjZwWM&feature=youtu.be

Never mind the "Pillars of the Earth", we want more "Pillars of the Dolomites". Smile
Slapshot 3

The rumour mill runneth over... Wink


berck

Ending with an ITT? Are they trying to recreate LeMond Fignon type race?
MAILLOT JAUNE

I soooooooo hope they include Ventoux since I missed out visiting it in 2009 and WOW an ITT for the finish would be great!
Boogerd_Fan

I'd be quite happy if that does turn out to be the route.

Starting in Corsica it doesnt take a geography teacher to imagine a route which is going to take in a mountain range in the first and third weeks instead of the second/third combination of recent years.

The notion of just 62km against the watch should help Schleck and Rolland suffer fewer nightmares (if the route is true)

I like the idea of 2x Alpe.. a few really short mountain stages designed to inspire guys to attack.
I'd take a trip to Morzine and the other mountainous days as a big bonus, from this years limited selection.

Hope that route is true! Looks quite balanced.
HuwB

A bit late with this, but....
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2...-ditalia-set-to-finish-in-brescia

However, news just in.
Last Saturday stage will finish at the Tre Cime di Lavaredo, officially confirmed! Smile
mazda

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
I like the idea of 2x Alpe.. a few really short mountain stages designed to inspire guys to attack.

So are they going up the Alpe twice in one day ?
Either as a single stage or two smaller stages ?
mazda

Found this:

The riders would, according to the newspaper, arrive in Bourg-d'Oisans from the col d'Ornon and climb the Alpe d'Huez and its 21 switchbacks for the first time.
When they arrive in the station, they should take the route du Col de Sarenne to get to Le Freney-d'Oisans, go back to Bourg-d'Oisans and climb the Alpe d'Huez a second time.
The advertising caravan of the Tour however should stop after the first climb.

So it is up the Alpe and turn right.
bianchigirl

Have good friends near fougere - could quite fancy a trip to see them next summer Wink
Biosphere

For the hardcore, the Giro route will be unveiled from 13:40 CET.

http://videochat.gazzetta.it/index_Live01.shtml

Plenty of clebs hanging around after yesterday.
Biosphere

Maybe, I'm too used to overemotional Italian TV by now, but Hesjedal sounds like he's speaking about his victory with the dissapointed tone of a man who forgot to get some milk when he went to the shop on the way home from work.
Boogerd_Fan

I have to say... this excites me.. I'm going to stick my neck out and say - this has The Shark written all over it.
Bartali

Much much much better than I had thought ... Nibs written on it .... unless Bertie rides it!!!
Slapshot 3

Fantastic route and a fantastic final two days in the mountains. I don't see how Acquarone can see that this route offers a good tilt at the tour and the Giro!! Roll on May
HuwB

I'm a little more reserved in my enthusiasm.
A bit concerned that a late winter and bad weather
on the wrong days could decimate the race.
Think stage 20 looks fabulous, but not happy that we
have to wait until stage 10 for a real MTF, given we will already have had
75kms of TT.
I hope all these short, mountain stages deliver.
I assume that the 2011 Alp D'huez and 2012 La Toussuire Tour stages
are heavily influencing mindsets in both France and Italy.

A few of the early stages look as if they could turn out to be quite tasty.

I can't see Cav fancying much of what is on offer.
Slapshot 3

If the tour listing above is right I believe the Alpe d'Huez stage wil be something like this

http://www.bikemap.net/route/1859...amp;zoom=9&maptype=ts_terrain

Low friend in lower places...;0)
Severo

Far too bumpy for the Tour, that.
Biosphere

Just been having a closer look at the Giro route so I thought it was worth dragging this one across here. First week might be a bit flat compared to this years Vuelta, but second half looks much more promising.



Not convinced that it screams Nibali over and above any other of the possible contenders.
Bartali

It screams Bertie ....
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
It screams Bertie ....


On paper, but I can't see him being anything other than 100% focussed on the Tour since he has a 3 year hole to fill.
Beasley

Only three sprint stages ... says all you need to know about the standard of Italian sprinting, I suppose!

There was 11 when the Ale-Jet was in his pomp. Now what was it the twitterati were saying about the Olympic RR course... the liberties taken by LOCOG was a 'disgrace to cycling,' wasn't it? Straight out of the RCS's playbook, more like!
Slapshot 3

Rumour's on Twitter that the Tour will finish on Alpe d'Huez next year.

No Champs....that would piss off Cav!!
mr shifter

mazda wrote:
Found this:


When they arrive in the station, they should take the route du Col de Sarenne to get to Le Freney-d'Oisans, go back to Bourg-d'Oisans and climb the Alpe d'Huez a second time.
So it is up the Alpe and turn right.

For a bumpy narrow ride down to the valley bottom.
HuwB

The 2013 Tour route presentation is on Eurosport, tomorrow 11-30CET (10-30UK)

Meanwhile, there are mutterings from the Spanish based contingent,
over on the CN forums about half (or more) of next year's Vuelta stages being MTFs. Shocked

Edit: seems there is substance to the rumour:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/v...la-of-ten-summit-finishes-in-2013
kathy

HuwB wrote:
The 2013 Tour route presentation is on Eurosport, tomorrow 11-30CET (10-30UK)

Meanwhile, there are mutterings from the Spanish based contingent,
over on the CN forums about half (or more) of next year's Vuelta stages being MTFs. Shocked

Edit: seems there is substance to the rumour:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/v...la-of-ten-summit-finishes-in-2013


There is one bit I like very much in that report.  It says the route will travel 'through Valencia' next year Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy
Biosphere

The Tour 2013 presentation is live:

http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2012/streaming/us/player-high.html
HuwB

I'm watching the yellow paint drying. Wink
Biosphere

3 xTTs and only 4 MTFs. Is that what they mean by a balanced route? Rolling Eyes

Route of the 2013 Tour de France:

June 29, stage 1: Porto-Vecchio to Bastia, 212km
June 30, stage 2: Bastia to Ajaccio, 154km
July 1st, stage 3: Ajaccio to Calvi, 145km
July 2nd, stage 4: Nice to Nice, TTT, 25km
July 3, stage 5: Cagnes-sur-Mer to Marseille, 219km
July 4, stage 6: Aix-en-Provence to Montpellier, 176km
July 5, stage 7: Montpellier to Albi, 205km
July 6, stage 8: Castres to Ax-3 domaines, 194km
July 7, stage 9: Saint-Girons to Bagnères-de-Bigorre, 165km
July 8: Rest day in Saint-Nazaire, Loire-Atlantique
July 9, stage 10: St-Gildas-des-Bois to Saint-Malo, 193km
July 10, stage 11: Avranches to Mont-Saint-Michel, ITT, 33km
July 11, stage 12: Fougères to Tours, 218km
July 12, stage 13: Tours to Saint-Amand-Montrond, 173km
July 13, stage 14: Saint-Pourçain-sur-Sioule to Lyon, 191km
July 14, stage 15: Givors to Mont Ventoux, 242km
July 15: Rest day in the Vaucluse province (Avignon, Orange)
July 16, stage 16: Vaison-la-Romaine to Gap, 168km
July 17, stage 17: Embrun to Chorges, ITT, 32km
July 18, stage 18: Gap to l’Alpe d’Huez, 168km
July 19, stage 19: Bourg d’Oisans to Le Grand Bornand, 204km
July 20, stage 20: Annecy to Annecy-Semnoz, 125km
July 21, stage 21: Versailles to Paris/Champs-Elysées, 118km
Boogerd_Fan

At least the length of the TT's has been cut slightly.

With both Ventoux and Alpe on the cards.. at least there should be some big time gaps on the mtf's this year (not like the roll up to Toussiere like this year)
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
At least the length of the TT's has been cut slightly.


And in fairness the second ITT is on a very hilly/mountainous course.
gerry12ie

Nice preview by inrng http://inrng.com/2012/10/2013-tour-de-france/
HuwB

On paper, it seems a reasonably balanced route.
Clock kms about right, as is the amount of climbing.
My concern is how those mountains are stacked, both in profile within the race.
An uber flat week 2 will make or break this edition. I fear it may well be the latter.
Some of the mountain stages are very short, Ventoux excessively long.

I am pleased to see less of the old faithfuls and more novel ascents.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Some of the mountain stages are very short, Ventoux excessively long.
.... but only one bump.

Stage 9 would have made a perfect etape du tour, but sadly its not to be Sad
Boogerd_Fan

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID...-over-Tour-de-France-in-2013.aspx

Nibs must be absolutely kicking himself. Will have a team totally behind him, instead of shared leadership with Basso for the Giro... and now he's got to deal with Bwadley again.
HuwB

I knew this was bubbling under yesterday.
Prudhomme wants 8 man teams at next year's Tour:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/eight-man-teams-at-2013-tour-de-france

No time bonuses, again, either.
HuwB

Available profiles. (until mid-June. Sad )






Boogerd_Fan

HuwB wrote:
I knew this was bubbling under yesterday.
Prudhomme wants 8 man teams at next year's Tour:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/eight-man-teams-at-2013-tour-de-france

No time bonuses, again, either.



Not sure the impact to Team Sky Train... (if that is what they're trying to influence).. as Sky had 8 riders for the majority of the race this year anyway.

Could make the TTT more interesting if 5 of 8 have to finish together.
Fontfroide

Thoughts on the Tour 2013

So it looks like the Tour will be superb viewing, as a geographical treat and a superb tourist advert.  After all, a seriously important purpose of the Tour is to advertise France, still the number one tourist destination on earth.  China is apparently creeping up in second place, but France is still number one.  Mont St. Michel.  Ventoux.  Plenty of hills.  The Isle of Beauty.  Paris at night.  Twice up the Alpe, (and an extra bit down a road the Tour has never gone in my memory), plus stuff I don't even know about.  I have never been to Corsica, and I intend to see those helicopter shots for as long as I can.

I gather that one of the stages in Corsica might well results in some time gaps, but who knows.  Stage 2 seems to go up and down a bit, although nothing deeply serious.  The Team Time Trial in Nice could be really nice to watch.  Having a finish in Marseilles could be cool, looks like they go along the coast which is gorgeous.  They are crazy in Marseilles.  After Marseilles, they ride into Montpellier and start the next day.  That is something I refuse to miss, you get nice photo opportunities at the start, not really at the finish.  Wandering around the team buses is always a wee treat.  After Montpellier they go to Albi, and the most obvious way is right up our valley.  Trying to get back from the start, faster than the Tour, when there is only one really good way to drive, hmmm, I can see a problem arising.  Do I miss the start just to see them whiz by in my valley?  I doubt it.  In fact, I must find out the exact route to Albi, as they could actually go a rather bumpy way to Albi, which would make a seriously interesting stage, which I might have to watch on TV.  So then they mess about in the Pyrenees where nothing is supposed to happen to ruin the final dramatic climax on Ventoux, and the Alpe.  However, there will always be one guy who might get lucky, we hope.  I don't really see how Stage 8, with two climbs at the end could be utterly without repercussions.  The next stage climbs up quite a few medium climbs, but then coasts downhill for the last 30k, so maybe a breakaway will take it.  Still, nothing important ismeant to happen in the Pyrenees.

After a long air transfer, they seem to do a diagonal upper left to lower right, maybe a kind of tourist look at glorious France.  And of course it will be.  I haven't yet figured out if nothing much is meant to happen or if  there are some surprises possible.  Mostly it looks like some sprint finishes for a few days.  I shall read about those stages from Mont St. Michel to Ventoux later when details come out.  There is a very long stage that climbs Ventoux at the end of that long diagonal run.  If it is hot and the 240k turnout to be hard, followed by Ventoux, maybe something vital might happen.  After all everyone cannot climb at the same speed up the Ventoux.  Although I do remember a really disappointing climb up Ventoux at the end of the Tour a few years ago.  Nothing much happened.  We shall see how the boys want to race by then.  I suspect a French rider might try somelthing on the Ventoux, as it is 14 July.

Then, exhausted by that hot ride with Ventoux at the end, they rest.  Then they face the dramatic climax to the Tour.  A time trial up some awful mountain, supposedly the hardest that Pechoux has ever designed.  At the top the view is supposed to be holiday stuff, Mont Blanc and Annecy and whatever is over there.  Meant to be gorgeous … and pretty hard too.  They spend a day climbing  twice up Alpe d'Huez, which could be very good theatre.  In case anyone wants to try something wild, they climb up a couple of 2,000 metre climbs and then some more bumpy bits, to finish on a downhill.  To finish off the Alps, in case there are still no gaps, the riders have to wander around a slightly hilly stage, which ends up what is meant to be a rather tough finish near Annecy, Semnoz.  Steep and fairly long, they say.  Unless everything is sorted by then, someone will surely do an all or nothing attack.  Plenty of places for the young French guys to make a mark, Rolland or Pinot, but others as well.

Then they do Paris at night.  Good move, hope it is dry and warm.  I am sure they have good lights for the Champs Elysees.  I gather they are going around the Arc de Triomphe with the road closed, unlike the usual route, which turns around before the Etoile or whatever it is called now.

So my impression is that it should be a very memorable Tour.  Of course I say this every year.  And every years there are memories.  So.  At the very least, watching Wiggo be the faithful team-mate for Froome should be worth the price.  Seeing how the Sagan-Cav-Greipel sprinters' fest goes should provide some interest.  This year Cav will be going for Green, and it should be a little more interesting.  Must even or eight chances for the explosive guys to win.  

As usual, the route is really not too crucial.  The Tour Show will have competitive racing if the riders can do some racing.  If not, not.
gerry12ie

Better here than anywhere else...

So a quick recap, the day after Cycling Ireland decide not to push against Pat, Darach McQuaid announces a joint Belfast/Dublin bid to host the 2014 Giro... About par for the course, I think.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...d-for-cycling-event-16230639.html
HuwB

So, it looks as if we won't get the formal Vuelta presentation until about the Tour Down Under time, but the rumours continue to suggest it will be a bit of a beast.
http://velonews.competitor.com/20...en-hillier-than-12-edition_265570

Plus, they are set to tackle the highest MTF in GT history:
http://www.revistadesdelacuneta.com/tengopagina.php?page=archivo0554
36kms at just under 6% average, no less. (last 2km @ 11.8%)

The final climb of the Vuelta, on the last Saturday is expected to be.........
.........The Angliru!
Slapshot 3

WOW!!!!!
Bartali

Best Gt of 2012 and could well be the same net year too!
mr shifter

Bartali wrote:
Best Gt of 2012 and could well be the same net year too!

Hmmm...nice to have Albert back then  Rolling Eyes
gerry12ie

Now Wiggins says he should probably defend his Tour title

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2...adley-wiggins-tour-de-france-2013

Rutting stags at Sky?
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
Now Wiggins says he should probably defend his Tour title

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2...adley-wiggins-tour-de-france-2013

Rutting stags at Sky?


Sorry, I've ended up double posting this to kick of the 2013 season thread.

What might have been Sky's possible attempt at man management by telling Wiggins he should target the Giro for legend status has not worked if it was. As I said on the other thread, I would have also thought there is the attraction of comparing himself against a focussed Contador.
HuwB

Giro wildcards just announced:
Fantini, CSF-Bardiani, Colombia Coldeportes....
.......no Katusha.
Biosphere

Just saw this before I sit down for lunch. Not even had time to read Mad

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-2013-route-announced
Biosphere

Here's a slightly pixelated map. It's a proper tour of Spain this year Smile

HuwB

Full route, including all the profiles already up:
http://www.lavuelta.com/13/es/recorrido/vuelta.html

All those MTFs and some of them are actually good, multi-climb affairs.







Not to mention the penultimate day tackling the Angliru.
kathy

I am very disappointed, as early reports suggested it would pass through my neck of the woods this year Twisted Evil
HuwB

All the Tour profiles are now available to view. Best one stop for the lot is here:

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=62457

Another Grand disappointment, I'm afraid. Cav's Christmas arrives in July, in the form of the so called intermediate stages.

All the climbs.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
All the Tour profiles are now available to view. Best one stop for the lot is here:

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=62457

Another Grand disappointment, I'm afraid. Cav's Christmas arrives in July, in the form of the so called intermediate stages . . .


What's with all the general talk about it not being a Wiggins friendly course? This is the first time I looked at it properly - one MTF a week for the first two weeks and two xTTs in the same period. He could easily be in yellow going into the final week as long as he's not expecting someone else to carry his 'bottle'?

I do not see Wiggins being left at home if the Dauphine goes OK.
gerry12ie

Biosphere wrote:
HuwB wrote:
All the Tour profiles are now available to view. Best one stop for the lot is here:

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=62457

Another Grand disappointment, I'm afraid. Cav's Christmas arrives in July, in the form of the so called intermediate stages . . .


What's with all the general talk about it not being a Wiggins friendly course? This is the first time I looked at it properly - one MTF a week for the first two weeks and two xTTs in the same period. He could easily be in yellow going into the final week as long as he's not expecting someone else to carry his 'bottle'?

I do not see Wiggins being left at home if the Dauphine goes OK.


True.  As you say he could easily be expected to be in pink by the start of the big climbs.  No wait, eh...
Wink  Wink
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
True.  As you say he could easily be expected to be in pink by the start of the big climbs.  No wait, eh...
Wink  Wink


Heh . . . stop slipping in the expected word Wink

Depending on his recovery and form, he could end up in yellow after the ITT and hold it to the start of the Ventoux stage - what's Froome allowed to do then? Very Happy
Bartali

2 x ITT and the second one will presumably be wriggly .... if he rides he best pray for sunshine!!
Biosphere

It's a TTT when they hit the mainland - presumably to help with transfer logistics and give them a few more hours to play with before the stage start.
Biosphere

Not worth starting a new thread just yet, but Florence was unveiled today also. Zomegnan is back!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2...orld-championship-course-revealed

gerry12ie

Some chat on the Velocast Giro edition about Nibs' ambitions for this.  Basically, they reckon the rest of his season revolves around winning the Worlds and then taking on the TDF next year in the stripes to complete the full set.  And what a nice way to do it if it all goes to plan...

Did Gimondi complete the set as world champ?  I can't remember.
HuwB

Pretty much follows what seems to be the blueprint for World's courses, these days, but with a longer climb.
15 times up those means 75kms of climbing.
Valverde?
Slapshot 3

75km brings it into the realms of Froome Contador Valverde and the like, interesting!
Biosphere

Slapshot 3 wrote:
75km brings it into the realms of Froome Contador Valverde and the like, interesting!


I'd have said they were bringing it into Nibali's realm Wink
gerry12ie

The size of them bleeding cobblestones in Florence brings it into Boonen's realm!  Hope it stays dry...
HuwB

Well, the other stat is that it's roughly 4500 metres of climbing, which isn't far off the recent norm.
OK, so I'll pray for rain! Smile

(I wonder what this chat says about those TDF parcour? Embarassed )
Bartali

A flat finish so one for Cavendish perhaps?











Wink
Bartali

Understanding the descents is perhaps key?
mazda

HuwB wrote:
Well, the other stat is that it's roughly 4500 metres of climbing, which isn't far off the recent norm.
OK, so I'll pray for rain! Smile

(I wonder what this chat says about those TDF parcour? Embarassed )


I don't think the parcours are that bad.
4 MTFs, and a couple of others with good descents.
No wasted peaks with 70km flat at the end.
Ok, relying on the classics a lot - Ventoux, 2xAdH - and loaded towards the end - 5 consecutive days for the GC competitors.
Fontfroide

Just in case any of you hardened lot can still be envious, the stage just after Montpellier, on July 5th, goes right past my house almost.  The three hills they climb, fourth, third and second cat are ones I often climb, that is, when I am not unwell.  The fourth cat I can manage easily even when unwell, the second cat is a bit harder, a pretty serious climb, but one of the finest descents around, good surface, nice curves, and couple of dangerous bit at the bottom.  I almost went straight into a car on one curve.  But they will be climbing up, so you will just get some excellent views of one of the very fine little mountainy bits around our area.  Still working on the sign I might carry to the road.  "Midi Roules OK" is current attempt, but I hope to come up with some other bi-lingual pun which will attract the cameras.  The descent from Treize Vents, the third cat, has some quite hairy bits that could surprise.  I would say the descent is more  second cat than third.  Very tricky bits.
HuwB

The Tarn? Then colour me envious. Wink
Fontfroide

Not exactly the Tarn, although that is not terribly far away.  What they call the Hauts Cantons de l'Herault.  That is the last hills of the Cevennes, before it turns into the flat bits, full of vineyards that go down to the Med at Beziers.  So we have rivers, valleys, hills that go up to 1100 metres, but no higher.  We still have olives and vines and a Med climate.

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It is a lesser known area of France, but getting more known as time goes on.  For a sample of where the lads in the Club ride (I am no longer up to going too high and too far) http://www.cyclingcols.com/asp/stageframe.asp?s=442
gerry12ie

Lucky man FF Very Happy

I see Nibali has confirmed that he won't ride the Tour and you can't blame him really.  A proper crack at the Tour just doesn't seem to be on any Giro winners radar anymore.  

I reckon Wiggins will have to go to France though, and it might just fracture the team further.  I'm sure Sky are not too displeased with second overall at the Giro and the team classification, but it's not what they went for and I think overall their performance showed a few more cracks.  Wiggins shooting his mouth off about a TDF bid when he did was just plain stupid, especially as he had yet to even turn a pedal in Naples and Froome had just given a command performance in Romandie.  Brailsford then allowing the speculation and twitter sulks to fester for 4 or 5 days before endorsing Froome's leadership was poor management.  A couple of days into the Giro and there was then talk that one or both of the Colombians were anxious to leave, and it now looks fairly sure that Uran at least will be leaving next season.  

Wiggins going to the TDF will surely heap extra pressure on a team that could really do with getting on with the racing, so they probably should 'rest' him but he is the champion and he will really want to go.  He doesn't much look like a team player at the moment though and his form isn't what it should be, so bringing Wiggins might prove costly IMO...
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
 For a sample of where the lads in the Club ride (I am no longer up to going too high and too far) http://www.cyclingcols.com/asp/stageframe.asp?s=442


Hey ... there's a col on that profile named after you!  Fancy that!
mr shifter

Bartali wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
 For a sample of where the lads in the Club ride (I am no longer up to going too high and too far) http://www.cyclingcols.com/asp/stageframe.asp?s=442


Hey ... there's a col on that profile named after you!  Fancy that!
Not so much that but you know where he got the name from.
It's been a puzzle but now we know.
mr shifter

gerry12ie wrote:

Wiggins going to the TDF will surely heap extra pressure on a team that could really do with getting on with the racing, so they probably should 'rest' him but he is the champion and he will really want to go.  He doesn't much look like a team player at the moment though and his form isn't what it should be, so bringing Wiggins might prove costly IMO...
Hey Ho 1991 again with Banesto.
Management wouldn't say who the team leader would be until the race developed and after the stage 8 TT it was obviously Indurain who did one of his "now"Infamous TT rides.
Lemond was 2nd in the TT by 7 seconds.

Then again you had the Little Prick deciding he wanted to be team leader but later without a favourite team leader to hide behind he couldn't win again as himself a team leader.

I hope both SKY riders take part in this TDF and scrap it out, with or without tempo riding.
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
 For a sample of where the lads in the Club ride (I am no longer up to going too high and too far) http://www.cyclingcols.com/asp/stageframe.asp?s=442


Hey ... there's a col on that profile named after you!  Fancy that!


All my aliases in cycling forums or competitions are cols in this area.  Col de Fontfroide is reckoned to be the hardest, although there are two others that sometimes come into the conversation.

Anyway, it really is a totally lovely area to ride a bike in.  Not all that many people come for big cycling holidays or anything, but it is lovely to live here.  I am indeed lucky.
Slapshot 3

Fontfroide wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
 For a sample of where the lads in the Club ride (I am no longer up to going too high and too far) http://www.cyclingcols.com/asp/stageframe.asp?s=442


Hey ... there's a col on that profile named after you!  Fancy that!


All my aliases in cycling forums or competitions are cols in this area.  Col de Fontfroide is reckoned to be the hardest, although there are two others that sometimes come into the conversation.

Anyway, it really is a totally lovely area to ride a bike in.  Not all that many people come for big cycling holidays or anything, but it is lovely to live here.  I am indeed lucky.


We're all coming to you're house in July.... Wink PS there's also a Fontfroide Abbey not too far away either

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