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Biosphere

10 Years On

Time flies Sad

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/remembering-marco-pantani-1

Reminder contained within that for those that can get access to Italian TV, there's 12 hours of stuff to watch today.
HuwB

It frightens me, how the years now pass so quickly.
Flawed, tormented, but still revered by cycling fans everywhere.
Most sites and many forum are remembering him, today.

My most treasured memories of him, now tarnished by history.
My last memory of him racing epitomised the tragic figure he had become;
crying in cold and pain on the side of a slush covered lane.
His final attempt to re-light the flame, by finishing in the top 5 of the 2003 Giro, at an end.

My satellite is working again, so I'll be tuning into Rai Sports 2 at some point.
JohnD

I never saw him race and the clips i've seen on YouTube he just looks too fast & comfortable.  No doubt if i had watched him at the time i wouldn't know any better and understood the pleasure he gave to cycling fans.

Sad, lonely and tragic end to his life; makes me wonder why he didn't have the support of friends & family..to be so lonely in a whole country of fans.
HuwB

JohnD wrote:
I never saw him race and the clips i've seen on YouTube he just looks too fast & comfortable.  No doubt if i had watched him at the time i wouldn't know any better and understood the pleasure he gave to cycling fans.

Sad, lonely and tragic end to his life; makes me wonder why he didn't have the support of friends & family..to be so lonely in a whole country of fans.


There is a commonly held belief that key to Pantani's spiral into darkness was the loss of his Danish girlfriend, Christine Johansonn:

For a relatively brief, but very informative biography of the life and death of Marco, this Guardian article, fits the bill:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2004/mar/07/cycling.features

Pinched this nice piece from BR:
http://rouleur.cc/journal/riders/pantani
JohnD

Cheers for the articles Huw.  I read Rendell's book a while ago and think i'll have to read it again as i'm sure he covers why he was left alone.

edit: The articles do cover it, very sad.
Bartali

RIP Marco

For me the memories will never be tarnished.  He had panache and tragedy in spades.
Biosphere

I hadn't read the CN link completely before I posted it. Think they probably could have saved all the conspiracy stuff for another day and left his anniversary be a bit dignified.

Thanks for the Guardian link Huw. I really must get round to reading the Pantani book that followed.

Bart, for me it's a tarnished time, so the memories do take on that element. As you point out though, there is ultimately far more to his story than that.

Anyway, came here to post this. Looks promising.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/p...-of-a-cyclist-film-for-uk-release
Bartali

Looking fwd to the movie.

I don't disagree Bio - they were certainly tarnished times.  But when wasn't in our sport?  Not the time or place to debate that one so I just remember him for the way he raced ... which is perhaps all we can ever ask.
gerry12ie

I missed much of the Pantani, Armstrong, Ullrich period because I more or less threw the towel in after Riis' win at '96 TDF.  When that donkey won the Derby I paid very little attention to racing until LA got my ire levels up with his treatment of Simeoni and I started watching again.  In recent years the youtube cycling clip I have been most fascinated by has been Pantani's magnificent charge to Oropa.  For me it probably encapsulates the man himself and explains why he gets a pass from most cycling fans - it is glorious, foolhardy, joyous racing, and every bit as furiously driven as anything put down on the road before or since.  In truth it is drawn from a similar place (in more ways than one) as Armstrong's vanity fairground on Luz Ardiden, but Pantani never seemed as calculating or malevolent as LA.

There seemed to be a kind of innocence that endeared him to most and although I would have liked to have seen more of him at the time I don't regret opting out of that period from 96-04 - in fact I'm glad I missed it, I could have ended up bitter and twisted   Wink
JohnD

I watched the Oropa stage the other day, really looked like the 'Charge of The Charged' with the team leading him up!  I read somewhere that Jalabert, i think, said he was almost blown over by the speed he past him.
Boogerd_Fan

gerry12ie wrote:
I missed much of the Pantani, Armstrong, Ullrich period because I more or less threw the towel in after Riis' win at '96 TDF.  When that donkey won the Derby I paid very little attention to racing until LA got my ire levels up with his treatment of Simeoni and I started watching again.  In recent years the youtube cycling clip I have been most fascinated by has been Pantani's magnificent charge to Oropa.  For me it probably encapsulates the man himself and explains why he gets a pass from most cycling fans - it is glorious, foolhardy, joyous racing, and every bit as furiously driven as anything put down on the road before or since.  In truth it is drawn from a similar place (in more ways than one) as Armstrong's vanity fairground on Luz Ardiden, but Pantani never seemed as calculating or malevolent as LA.

There seemed to be a kind of innocence that endeared him to most and although I would have liked to have seen more of him at the time I don't regret opting out of that period from 96-04 - in fact I'm glad I missed it, I could have ended up bitter and twisted   Wink


+1

but having grown up watching his exploits (fueling my own cycling ambition).. he gets a free pass from me just for rolling the dice. In an era where we now have so much data that people are afraid to attack, it seems like a beautiful untainted time, when the crazy italian would "go long" and try moves of passion and heart not just the head.

Funny watching the footage how many superlatives Liggett manages to get out re: inhuman, superman, alien efforts etc during this time!!
Biosphere

It would be nice if La Gazzetta just let him rest in peace instead instead of him being an annual circulation boosting exercise Rolling Eyes

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/r...x-of-cocaine-and-anti-depressants

I cannot believe another year has flown by since we last discussed this . . .
berck

Well, with the family pushing for further investigations, it's kind of hard for the paper not to report it.
Mrs John Murphy

I would say that there was a certain innocence and hence joy about the way in which Pantani rode, which was the inverse of how Armstrong rode.

But also he was the reverse of someone like Mig who was also a very boring rider to watch.

While Pantani was hung out to dry for his doping, Armstrong was protected.

The fact that the way he was treated almost certainly contributed to his downward spiral and death, all the while those same people enriched themselves on Armstrong's doping.

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