Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:06 pm Post subject: New Admins Poll
Vote now.
I've listed people in alphabetical order. I am also assuming based on comments in the other threads am assuming that everyone who is willing to stand is standing.
Please vote for the two people you would prefer to see as new admins.
Thanks.
Apologies if I have left anyone out. If you wish to stand then say and people will have to say 'yay' in the thread to count as once a poll has started you can't edit it.
My Blurb
I view the role of any admin to be limited to: clearing up spammed threads (ie spam removal) and the banning of spammers accounts and IPs. And if there are any board features that need to be updated, implemented then doing that.
I don't think anyone wants to see interference in issues of 'taste' - so the fanboys are all quite safe. Unless of course you start hawking shoes or porn...
The whole point of this forum was to avoid the plague of random moderation and the best way to avoid that is to continue to have no moderation but to have admins to ban spammers.
If I were to leave for any period of time I would let people know so the board is not left in the lurch.
Okay, although i work for the UK's nation's state Met Office, my work is mostly IT these days, we build and manage customer websites, manage, repair(too regularly) and maintain the systems our forecasters and consultants use to create the forecast services we provide. I work shifts so can play seek and destroy with these spamming sods as often as they appear. Basically my time is very flexible.
What Berg built was perfect for our needs, an unmoderated board that anyone could debate any relevant issue. That has to stay exactly as was intended however we need to get into the back end of the board to stop the clowns who only seek to interrupt the debate, spammers, wummers, sockpuppets you name it.
It was Berg's vision that I wanted to preserve when these problems started by building an alternative and another and finally the one that's been built and tested over the last two or three weeks, however this method gives us the scope to preserve everything.
I don't believe in revenge, I believe that there is a space here for any cycling fan to air their views, if I don't agree with them well thats fine but I wouldn't ban them for it (Fanboys are welcome, honest)
Additionally the board has to develop, there are other mods that can upgrade the experience of the JC debate. Admins are there to manage the site, not the content, that's a moderators job, we don't have any!!
If you want to trust me with it then thanks for the vote of confidence, I will do my best to ensure that the site stays the way we want it. ......... (now where do I attach the rosette) _________________ It's just my opinion, if you don't like it....TOUGH
Look, I keep telling you I'm in shape...Round is a shape
Just out of curiosity, as I have never known what powers owners of forums have, even though I am on several ... Do the owners or managers of forums find out the true email address or the identity of the posters? In other words, do they have access to more information about people than we do?
I am just wondering, as I don't really care who knows who I am or where I live. Once you have the real name of someone a good detective can find out anything else.
Just out of curiosity, as I have never known what powers owners of forums have, even though I am on several ... Do the owners or managers of forums find out the true email address or the identity of the posters? In other words, do they have access to more information about people than we do?
I am just wondering, as I don't really care who knows who I am or where I live. Once you have the real name of someone a good detective can find out anything else.
Nope. The only 'identifying' information is the IP number when you post. No additional 'private' information is available - at least this is my experience on other boards.
Just out of curiosity, as I have never known what powers owners of forums have, even though I am on several ... Do the owners or managers of forums find out the true email address or the identity of the posters? In other words, do they have access to more information about people than we do?
I am just wondering, as I don't really care who knows who I am or where I live. Once you have the real name of someone a good detective can find out anything else.
Nope. The only 'identifying' information is the IP number when you post. No additional 'private' information is available - at least this is my experience on other boards.
No completely true. Each new account is suppose to have an email address. All the required information can be viewed by the admin, but it maybe unviewable by others. Hence, email addresses can be verified.
Just out of curiosity, as I have never known what powers owners of forums have, even though I am on several ... Do the owners or managers of forums find out the true email address or the identity of the posters? In other words, do they have access to more information about people than we do?
I am just wondering, as I don't really care who knows who I am or where I live. Once you have the real name of someone a good detective can find out anything else.
Nope. The only 'identifying' information is the IP number when you post. No additional 'private' information is available - at least this is my experience on other boards.
No completely true. Each new account is suppose to have an email address. All the required information can be viewed by the admin, but it maybe unviewable by others. Hence, email addresses can be verified.
On the 'spare' board that Slapshot and I have been testing the email automation goes through automatically and if an admin wants to email a member it is done indirectly. I as an admin can not, unless you choose to make it public, see your email.
It depends on how the board is configured, but in most cases an admin has virtually no more information on a user than anyone else.
I like the openess of this board, and do not think that the admin should be a person who imposes his/her own will on everybody. Lets keep the board open, but remove offending accounts that are spaming information and not contributing to our propose. Discussing cycling.
Its fine to get off track. I'm specifically talking about people who are spamming information to our board.
Anyway, I've been a moderator on a tech board for about a year and have some experience keeping things going on that board. I do not have any experience with this particular board (MFF.org).
I'm happy to do it if you want me. I highly suggest we get Slapshot as one of the admins. If he makes it, anybody else can be properly trained.
Administrators can see everything you add to your profile page, they have to otherwise they can't change permissions, board properties that sort of thing.
*** From MJM's post above*** from memory of the MFF board I set up this also has an automatic registration process using the emails however the alternative options are there. Depends what Berg put up.
Point is in appointing an admin, as is happening here, means that you trust them with certain bits of information about you. In the ideal world you don't realise this when you sign up. I've worked on other websitesand forums now for three or four year and we've had ZERO instances of missing data or email leaks.
That would obviously continue here. _________________ It's just my opinion, if you don't like it....TOUGH
Look, I keep telling you I'm in shape...Round is a shape
The latter in the hope that Spammers will be hunted down and dealt with with the same energy and brutality employed on responses to the Fanboys' posts. _________________ EPO is for wimps. Proper cyclists go faster on beer, curry and porridge.
i work/ed (not that much work around here these days, and i like where i live and don't really want to move) in IT support, specialize in education networks, mostly with a well known brand of fruity flavour computers. also do a lot of graphics and video stuff that's associated with that particular brand. i potter about on bikes again these days, mostly with shopping bags attached to them. watch a lot of cycling on foreign telly channels. there was a thread about me here.
we all seem to want pretty much the same thing in an admin. get rid of the spammers and the disruption they cause. unmoderated is good, a bit of wumming is fine, everybody's entitled to their opinions on cycling. debate is healthy. the only other tasks an admin should do would be the very occasional pinning and unpinning of topics, and to thoroughly test and evaluate the occasional software update. which sounds like work. mostly, what we've got here works.
don't particularly like sockpuppets myself, but as bio said in the other thread, a quiet PM in the ear should ideally suffice. maybe ban the ones that just want to attack other posters. that was a tiresome episode.
anyway, i'm happy to sling up the odd race thread and try to keep things vaguely tidy, admin or not.
Kathy would be a good choice as she seems to be on here the most frequently, I could be wrong though (about being most frequent! ). As it stands I would say that everyone one the list visits the site often enough to keep the relatively mild amount of spam cleaned up. Thanks, people, for puting in the effort to keep this thing rolling. _________________ I do not need mountains to win the TDF, I need drugs!
I voted, but anyone will do, all of you seem to be here often enough. The key thing is to have a backup person. And for someone to know how to fix things that don't work.
Truth of the matter is that I don't mind the spam. The topic is clear enough, I just don't go there. Although it would be good not to have it. What is more bothering to me over the past few weeks is clicking on a link and finding all those damn "bumps", apparently designed to make the spam drop down the list of topics. No idea what people think they are doing. At least with the spam you know there is nothing of interest. clicking on a topic and finding it merely a bump is a drag.
Anyway you can never stop spam. I run a small list for my cycling club on Google and there has begun to be spam there. The spammers are not people who target us, they are just automatic bots that do their assigned task.
I remember in the early days, really early days, of email, there was no spam. I remember hearing it was two lawyers in Arizona who were the first to send unwanted advertising on the net. Oh for the good ole days.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:42 am Post subject:
Fontfroide wrote:
I voted, but anyone will do, all of you seem to be here often enough. The key thing is to have a backup person. And for someone to know how to fix things that don't work.
Truth of the matter is that I don't mind the spam. The topic is clear enough, I just don't go there. Although it would be good not to have it. What is more bothering to me over the past few weeks is clicking on a link and finding all those damn "bumps", apparently designed to make the spam drop down the list of topics. No idea what people think they are doing. At least with the spam you know there is nothing of interest. clicking on a topic and finding it merely a bump is a drag.
Anyway you can never stop spam. I run a small list for my cycling club on Google and there has begun to be spam there. The spammers are not people who target us, they are just automatic bots that do their assigned task.
I remember in the early days, really early days, of email, there was no spam. I remember hearing it was two lawyers in Arizona who were the first to send unwanted advertising on the net. Oh for the good ole days.
Fontfroide, you obviously didn't see what happened on the GT thread a few days ago. The spammers started infiltrating the genuine threads with pages of absolute garbage. Now that is a real drag. _________________ "You can't win races with passion alone."
I did see it. But I didn't click on any topic that had to do with non-cycling shoes or clothing. But I DO click each time on "real topics", and quite often lately find a "bump". So, in fact, the bumps are a tiny drag, and the spam is no problem at all. Everyone deals with spam in their own way, and I am quite happy if there is someone who takes care of it and deletes all the spammers. But I gotta say, you can never beat them, they have tireless robots working at all hours. I do agree that spam is annoying, but bumps are nearly the same.
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). As it stands I would say that everyone one the list visits the site often enough to keep the relatively mild amount of spam cleaned up. Thanks, people, for puting in the effort to keep this thing rolling.