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CapeRoadie
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 Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: I'm Buying Wheels (Again) Advice Needed |
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Hey, I need some advice. I need a pair of wheels for my cross bike. I'm tired of pinch flats on clinchers, so I'm making the switch to tubulars.
Someone is selling a pair of wheels they built up as follows:
Velocity Escape rims (22 mm deep, semi-aero) with 32-hole Sun/Hugi European front hub and 32-hole DT Hugi 240 rear with DT 14/15 competition spokes, DT alloy nipples. The cross 3 drive side spokes are tied and soldered to DT specs. Radial non-drive side. Cross 2 front.
Any idea what these are worth?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, responding to self. I bought the pair on e-Bay for about $500. They came with sew-ups by Andre Dugast and the seller threw in an extra tire. The tires are worth $300 total. The hubs retail for about $350-plus and the rims maybe $100 for the pair. Plus 32 spokes. So if I had to re-build them for whatever reason, apparently I'm still ahead. The seller lives in South Dakota and actually phoned me at my office this a.m. to answer any questions I might have. Pretty cool guy, and is a bike shop owner getting rid of some of his special things. He is a fan of Sheldon Brown, so I knew he must be "one of the good ones". I think I did okay. Here they are:
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| No excuses with those underneath you Cape........ |
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CapeRoadie
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| last km wrote: | | No excuses with those underneath you Cape........ |
No excuses anyway, right?! He's shipping them today, should be here in time for my race next Sunday. I'm looking forward to a softer ride, since last year I was often riding at 65-70 psi (ouch!) instead of the 30-40 I should have been in order to avoid the pinch flat. I am selling a pair of 2007 Kysrium SL silver anodized race wheels (bladed spokes) in order to pay for these. Hopefully I'll make a profit. My wheels for sale look like this:
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| You jammy bugger Cape! Absolute bargin - Dugast tubs are the business. Firm has changed hands recently but, alomg with FMB(?) still the best tubs out there. Never tried cross tubs - used road tubs in the bad old days), but have Dugast tubs on my fixed. Excellent! Rest of the wheel set not bad either! |
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CapeRoadie
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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e-Bay at 11:59 p.m. last night in a bidding war while nearly comatose -- dangerous! Am soooo looking forward to the riding, and the racing!
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Bartali
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Didn't realise cross tyres would be as low as 30-40 psi. Seems crazy low to me ... almost flat!
Have fun in the mud!! |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Bartali wrote: | Didn't realise cross tyres would be as low as 30-40 psi. Seems crazy low to me ... almost flat!
Have fun in the mud!! |
That was the mistake I made last year because I didn't understand how much pain riding cross on fully inflated tires would be. I just bought a 'cross bike and raced it. This year I have a coach (sorry, happa), and he said you "should feel like you're riding on the rims every once in a while". And you actually ARE riding on the rims. I have to tell you, Bartali, it's a hell of a lot smoother ride when you're riding 40 as opposed to 65-80, where these tires max out psi. You might do more (50) on less bumpy surfaces, less (30) in rough terrain or rain/mud conditions. But riding full pressure last year must have aged me prematurely or something.
I'm looking forward to the cross season, which has been delayed by a low back muscle tear. Am healing well, however it does definitely SUCK since I was already injured in June/July..
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Whatever you do, never buy Bontragers. We sell them at the shop and they suck. Flanges and hubs crack much more often than they do on any brand we sell, especially Mavic (Mavic is great).
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| forza_petacchi wrote: | | Whatever you do, never buy Bontragers. We sell them at the shop and they suck. Flanges and hubs crack much more often than they do on any brand we sell, especially Mavic (Mavic is great). |
Interesting because I've had Mavic's rims crack around the spoke nipples on numerous occasions, yet every Bontrager product I've ever owned has been excellent. I use Bontrager bars, seat posts, forks, stems, wheels and saddles. All excellent. Well, these wheels are built up from scratch and so I should be okay.
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Are those aftermarket parts or the ones that came with your Madone?
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| forza_petacchi wrote: | | Are those aftermarket parts or the ones that came with your Madone? |
Both.
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Hmm....I had a pair or Race wheels that came with my road bike, and tbh they weren't very good, especially compared with the Aksium Race set I have now. My fork (Bontrager carbon) is pretty solid. The previous owner replaced the stem with a 90mm Specialized that is stiff but definitely too short for my riding style. The Race Lite Bars have a bit a flex to them, which is mildly disconcerting. My Race X Lite carbon seatpost is good, but I think I'm going to buy a new one (namely the Thomson Elite, which is very strong and crazy light for an alloy post). Remind me, which Madone did you get?
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| forza_petacchi wrote: | | Hmm....I had a pair or Race wheels that came with my road bike, and tbh they weren't very good, especially compared with the Aksium Race set I have now. My fork (Bontrager carbon) is pretty solid. The previous owner replaced the stem with a 90mm Specialized that is stiff but definitely too short for my riding style. The Race Lite Bars have a bit a flex to them, which is mildly disconcerting. My Race X Lite carbon seatpost is good, but I think I'm going to buy a new one (namely the Thomson Elite, which is very strong and crazy light for an alloy post). Remind me, which Madone did you get? |
The 6.9, not the pro frame (which would have needed spacers, whereas the non-pro frame fits perfectly). I already had a Dura-Ace groupset and was running Mavic Ksyrium SSL wheels. Now using the Mavics for 'cross and either hand-built carbon wheels (DT Swiss 210 hubs, round DT spokes and Zipp rims) or Fulcrum Race One's.
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How do you like the seatmast system? Personally I think it's BS because they basically reversed the seatpost/seattube idea, so it's not a true seatmast.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| forza_petacchi wrote: | | How do you like the seatmast system? Personally I think it's BS because they basically reversed the seatpost/seattube idea, so it's not a true seatmast. |
Love it. Stiffer, stronger, but comfy.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| CapeRoadie wrote: | | forza_petacchi wrote: | | Whatever you do, never buy Bontragers. We sell them at the shop and they suck. Flanges and hubs crack much more often than they do on any brand we sell, especially Mavic (Mavic is great). |
Interesting because I've had Mavic's rims crack around the spoke nipples on numerous occasions, yet every Bontrager product I've ever owned has been excellent. I use Bontrager bars, seat posts, forks, stems, wheels and saddles. All excellent. Well, these wheels are built up from scratch and so I should be okay. |
I've had nothing by problems with my Bontrager wheels. With my first carbon Trek 5200 (2002), I had the rear wheel rebuilt two times until I gave up. I had replaced these wheels with Mavic SSL's. I got them in a bad year for spokes. Had four spokes break in the first year. Wheels got sent back twice for repair. Were and have been fine after the second time. I sold these wheels to a friend, and they have worked great for him since.
With Madone 5.2SL (2007), The hub bearing went bad and the wheel was constantly going out of true. They gave me a new wheel. After a month, it went out of true too. I replaced these wheels with Mavic ES's. I've had one spoke break since I've had them. I've put on about 5,000 miles on these wheels without any other issues. Still true too. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I've never ridden Bontrager wheels. As soon as I got my old Trek 5200 (2004 model), I replaced the wheels with faster, lighter ones. When I sold the 5200, I simply put them back on. They looked like new. With my XO1 cyclocross (Trek 2008) bike, I also removed the Bontrager wheels and they are also as new. So, I can't tell you about Bontrager wheels really. I imagine you get what you pay for. I have heard that the Bontrager Race XXX Lite wheels are excellent. I think their aftermarket parts are among the best, maybe THE best.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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I can't vouch for Race XXX Lite wheels. All the wheels I've used have been Race Lite wheels. When they replaced my last rear wheel, the newer Race Lite wheel was based on the year previous model of Race X Lite. I was excited about that and that the wheel looked nicer too. I was sorely disappointed with it as I rode it.
I haven't had any problems with other Bontrager parts except for the saddle stem. It doesn't seem to want to keep the saddle locked in place properly. I have to reset the saddle position every few months because its moved around. |
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Sorry to take this off-topic but does anyone have recommendations for clip-on aero bars? Rex (the asst. Manager) ordered a bunch of Profile Design T2+ sets and I'm probably going to buy one.
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