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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:54 am    Post subject: Giro 2017: Ancora Antipasti e Carricante:Stages 4-6:May 8-10  Reply with quote

STAGE 4: Cefalù – Etna (Rif. Sapienza) 181 km

START TIME: 12.00 CEST


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The first summit finish awaits the peloton after a medium mountain stage. The route follows the mild undulations of the road for 55 km, and then tackles a long and steady climb up Portella Femmina Morta. A very long and manageable descent then leads to the feed zone and to the intermediate sprint in Bronte. The route hits the foot of Mount Etna and runs across a number of villages, heading towards the finish, all the way to Nicolosi, where the closing climb begins. The final part of the route runs through urban areas, on narrowed and often stone-paved roads. The final climb, on wide and tarmacked road, has an average gradient of approx. 6%, with no punchy bits. The road winds its way along wide hairpins for nearly 20 km. There is a mild counterslope with 500 m to go. The home stretch (200 m, 3% uphill grade) leads to the finish line, on 7-m wide asphalt road.


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STAGE 5: Pedara – Messina 159 km

START TIME: 13.15 CEST


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This is a half-wavy, half-flat, stage, with a closing circuit. The stage starts from Pedara, new stage town as far as the Giro is concerned. The first 40 km are fairly complex, as the route passes through several urban areas, with roundabouts, traffic dividers, pedestrian islands, setts paving and speed bumps being the main obstacles. Then comes an uphill stretch (Fornazzo KOM summit), followed by a fast-running and technical descent. The roadway narrows at points in Castiglione di Sicilia. Next, the route climbs up Taormina and descends to the feed zone along partly narrowed roads. Here the roadway becomes wider and mostly straight, leading to the final circuit in Messina (which already saw a final circuit in 1972).   The final 6.3-km circuit shall be covered once, on wide and straight avenues alternating with 90-degree bends. The route takes a U-turn with 1,500 m to go, then a long home straight (descending slightly in the first part) leads all the way to the finish. The home stretch is 1,500 m long, on 7.5-m wide, flat and asphalt road.


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STAGE 6: Reggio Calabria – Terme Luigiane 217 km

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The route is basically flat, with just a few climbs and undulations in the first part, and finishes at the top of the short Terme Luigiane uphill stretch. The stage starts from Reggio Calabria (prologue town in 2005 and stage town in nine occasions) and the first 190 km are on a wide trunk road, at points a fast-flow road, with no grade-level intersections. The route clears the Barritteri categorised climb, and heads for an intermediate sprint in Mileto. Next comes a short, steep climb after Marina di Fuscaldo, followed by a technical descent leading to the final 15 kilometres. Note that the route takes a 600-m stretch on dual carriageway, and descends on hairpin bends 4 km before the finish that takes place in Terme Luigiane (already stage town five times).   The final climb totals 2 km at an average 5.3% gradient, on wide, well-surfaced roadway, with no sharp changes of direction. The final km has a 5 to 10% gradient. The home stretch, running entirely uphill, is 500 m long, on 6-m wide asphalt road.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for these Huw.

As it's rest day some diversionary reading. I'm amazed that they're modelling down to 20 microns on the numerical simulations. There are some interesting results in there though if you skim the sciency stuff.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/wh...on-really-superior-froome-blocken
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent Bio.  What a job to have Smile

Thanks for the maps Huw.  My heart is in my mouth for tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff Bio.  Right up your alley too, I would venture.   Wink

Intuition would steer me towards the Nibali and the Sagan positions as being fastest, and certainly safer, than the Froome.  My guess is we may not see Froome try the Froome again in a hurry, it just looks too unsafe...

You have seen this?


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, the CFD stuff is all over my head, but I know enough from other numerical / nonlinear modelling that they are quite pushing the boat out with 36 million cells. Well at least I think I do. It does look like a fun thing to model though, and the scaling of the hurricane force winds to the reduced size models made me laugh.

I am also having a smile about the idea of Italian Romeos suggesting the "Pantani position" to their other halves and getting a fat lip in return.

Saw the crashing cyclist before. Probably not what I would try on what looks like a dual carriageway Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The peloton pace has been lifted, but the gap to the breakaway is only closing slowly.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mixed between the escapee,normally my man, and Zakarin whois on my team.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the escapee!
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polanc holds on to win, as I sort of figured after he beat Nibali in a mountain stage in Croatia.
Jungels into pink, Thomas gains a massive 4 seconds. What a stage.
A victory for conservative cycling.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, as no doubt someone would have expected, not a day when the big guns wanted to use up serious ammo.  Too early.  But they all seem be a in good shape, ready for the action that might start in a few days.

Maybe in the next three days we will have an "unexpected event".  But I think I might watch one or two on replay if domestic duties interfere.  

I tried really hard to wish the best to Rolland, which I did.  But once again in the short interview after, he showed why I have never warmed to him in any way at all.  Either as a sports personality or as a witty, humorous interviewee.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy with that.  I thought it might be too early in the race for Nibs and feared he might ship some time.

Pleased the lad won it.  Gutsy ride.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gerry ... that fella is lucky he didn't end up under the truck!!!
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was spotted at the time and shown in zoom, but in case anyone missed it:-

https://twitter.com/Eurosport_UK/status/861947347877502976

Javier Moreno has been dq'd, but Rosa, who wasn't entirely innocent, escapes penalty.

https://d.filebox.moe/ptmyvwop.mp4

Casualties of the day:-
Broken collarbone for Katusha's Kochetkov. Out of the race.

Ag2r's Alexandre Geniez was another abandon.

Matteo Pelucchi crashed on the descent  of the first climb and rode the final 80kms with a whole load of road rash.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:
Javier Moreno has been dq'd, but Rosa, who wasn't entirely innocent, escapes penalty.


Absolutely ridiculous IMO.  That sort of stuff goes on all the time ... no need to dq anyone IMO.  But to dq Moreno for a non-dangerous tug on a shirt but not Rosa for what looks like a similarly non dangerous tug on a saddle is plainly unfair to rider and team. And I say that irrespective of the teams and riders involved.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Moreno pushed the Italian when the two were in the middle of the peloton, approaching the foot of the Mount Etna climb. Rosa spun off the road and was forced to change his bike as a result.


Fair enough then ... I didn't see that in the clip above (maybe I didn't watch it t the end).
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re watched it and I still don't really see it.  If Rosa goes into the spectators its because he's not looking where he's riding.  Certainly not a deliberate push into the crowd as CN suggests ...
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This will take your mind off it.
Pelucchi rode 80kms like this.....

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:

Casualties of the day:-
Broken collarbone for Katusha's Kochetkov. Out of the race.

FDJ's Alexandre Geniez was another abandon.

Matteo Pelucchi crashed on the descent  of the first climb and rode the final 80kms with a whole load of road rash.


geniez seems to be on bad form currently. stage 3 in catalunya dns. stage 4 circuit de la sarthe dnf. tour of the alpes stage 2 dnf so this the fourth stage race he abandoned (he did finish tirreno addriatico). he started off well finishing 3rd in tour la provence with a stage win.

albert losada didn't look good either after his crash, finishing the stage behind pelucchi at 39 minutes. but that is hard riding from pelucchi to do so. bravo.

Wonder if losada will start tomorrow. Nothing on katusha twitter.

and good ride from jan polanc too to just win with a show of determination. Nice to see breakaway rider making it.

Winds on mt. Etna just seemed to neutralise the main group, although granted a smaller group than on a mountain top finish in romandy so that's something.

With Javier moreno, I'd guess he was hitting out against something earlier and the video just doesn't catch that.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really enjoyed the last 20km today, Polanc's last 5km were just ballsy it's always nice to see a stage win come from a break when it's least expected.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:
Re watched it and I still don't really see it.  If Rosa goes into the spectators its because he's not looking where he's riding.  Certainly not a deliberate push into the crowd as CN suggests ...


I'm afraid you are wrong there.
Eurosport have dealt with it in detail today.
A clear push and although partially obscured by tree foliage, Rosa ends up in the crowd, hitting a a spectator dressed in blue.

Team Sunweb rider Chad Haga who saw it all was then interviewed and confirmed what took place.
According to him, Rosa ended up going over his handlebars.
It was reported yesterday that as a result, he needed a bike change.

Even Bahrain accept the call.



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