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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:51 pm    Post subject: Delusional, stupid or clairvoyant? Reply with quote

Shiti Piti obviously thinks its 2005 still... hate to break it to him but this is as good as it is going to get for him. Enjoy that two year holiday.


Winner Valverde eyes Tours of Italy and France



   * Reuters, Sunday September 20 2009

By Alasdair Fotheringham

MADRID, Sept 20 (Reuters) - Alejandro Valverde was quick to name the Tours of Italy and France as his major 2010 targets after success on Sunday in the Tour of Spain.

"I don't think a victory in either can be more difficult than the Tour of Spain I've just won," the Spaniard told reporters.

"Everybody had doubts over my chances of winning a Grand Tour, but now those doubts have gone."

Victorious in 59 races in his eight-year career, the Caisse D'Epargne rider said: "I've won everything else (except a major Tour) so finally taking one is a very special feeling.

"I didn't get any stages along the way, but sometimes if you want something big like a Tour you have to sacrifice smaller things."

Valverde was accompanied onto the final podium by Spain's Samuel Sanchez, second at 55 seconds, with Australian Cadel Evans in third at 1:32.
"A major stage race is 21-days long, the most consistent rider wins and Alejandro never had a bad day," Sanchez told reporters.

"I was stronger than him in the time trials, but he knew how to make the most of my errors."

Barred from racing in Italy since May for alleged links to the Operation Puerto anti-doping investigation, Valverde racked up victories this season in the Tour of Catalonia, the Dauphine Libere and the Tour of Burgos before Sunday's success.

Italy's Olympic Committee (CONI) say that blood samples Valverde gave at a doping control when last year's Tour entered Italy for a stage matched DNA from code-named bags of blood discovered in Operation Puerto, launched in 2006.

Valverde has repeatedly claimed he is innocent and appealed against the ban to the Court of Arbitration of Sport.

Sunday's final 110-km stage from Rivas VaciaMadrid to Madrid was won in a bunch sprint by Andre Greipel of Germany, his fourth stage victory in this year's Tour.

"What I've done here has far exceeded my expectations, I thought we'd get one stage at most," the winning Columbia-HTC rider told reporters.

"Instead we ended up with five victories for the squad and on top of that I've won the points classification. It's amazing."

Valverde's final objective this season is the world championships next weekend in Mendrisio, Switzerland.

"The important thing is that the Spanish are united as a team," he said. "If we have the same objectives then anything is possible."

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eyes them, as opposed to rides them.....
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Putting aside his potential banning from the whole sport for a moment....

Nothing is going to beat Contador in the TDF other than a positive test.  I think most of us already know that.

Naturally after winning a huge race one might be accused of having too much confidence but the facts remain.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you think he might just be trying to wind the Italians up?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My vote goes for delusional.  I would have to put it into perspective for Piti, the Tour is a harder race.  Just look at third place of the Vuelta, he finished 45 minutes down in the Tour.  But then again, didn't Cadel have 37 bungled up wheel changes at the Tour? Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delusional
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

None of the above.

My vote goes for euphoric and relieved to have won a GT - his record at the Vuelta is pretty good, and he would have won had Vino and Kash not been in superb form 2 years ago...

Would anyone be surprised if a golfer or tennis player interviewed after winning their first major were to contemplate winning more and other majors? I guess the reason for the surprise is the Shadow of Puerto hanging over him, but he's hardly likely to hold his hands up and say he expects to be banned worldwide by next year, given his attitude so far....
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me, a fan? wrote:
I would have to put it into perspective for Piti, the Tour is a harder race.  Just look at third place of the Vuelta, he finished 45 minutes down in the Tour.


But then again Kreuziger was there or there abouts in the Tour , but could only make 61st at 1h 30 mins+ in the Vuelta???
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:56 am    Post subject: Re: Delusional, stupid or clairvoyant? Reply with quote

Reuters wrote:
Barred from racing in Italy since May for alleged links to the Operation Puerto anti-doping investigation, Valverde racked up victories this season in the Tour of Catalonia, the Dauphine Libere and the Tour of Burgos before Sunday's success.


How can the links be 'alleged' when CONI have concluded the case and found him guilty?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Delusional, stupid or clairvoyant? Reply with quote

The Lemondheads wrote:
Reuters wrote:
Barred from racing in Italy since May for alleged links to the Operation Puerto anti-doping investigation, Valverde racked up victories this season in the Tour of Catalonia, the Dauphine Libere and the Tour of Burgos before Sunday's success.


How can the links be 'alleged' when CONI have concluded the case and found him guilty?


Because CONI have condemned him without evidence.  That's why the UCI are proscrastinating - they know it won't stand up in court.  They have 'evidence', said to come from a Barcelona lab.  As I understand it, the OP blood bags have never left Madrid.

I am getting fed up with everyone believing what they read on  websites like CN.  I prefer to get my information from the country of origin, not Australia, or whoever owns CN now.  I'm not saying Valverde wasn't involved in OP, but so were a lot of other people.  I don't understand the witchhunt.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a reminder that "Menchov" won a Grand Tour this year. Rolling Eyes

Kathy.... I'm with you on this one. stay cool and wait and see.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit's of all three with a chunk of euphoria thrown in for good measure.

The fans will say he's finally matched his potential the naysayers there wasn't much competition, usual scenario really.

However, unless the UCI and CAS have real evidence they will not extend the ban and at a push CAS could overturn the Italian ban....interesting times ahead. Wonder what's the odds of protests at this week during the worlds
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pantanifan wrote:
None of the above.

My vote goes for euphoric and relieved to have won a GT - his record at the Vuelta is pretty good, and he would have won had Vino and Kash not been in superb form 2 years ago...

Would anyone be surprised if a golfer or tennis player interviewed after winning their first major were to contemplate winning more and other majors? I guess the reason for the surprise is the Shadow of Puerto hanging over him, but he's hardly likely to hold his hands up and say he expects to be banned worldwide by next year, given his attitude so far....


I tend to agree with this view.

One doesn't get to be an elite, world-class sportsman or sportswoman without having supreme confidence and will power.

So I'm not sure how anyone can be surprised that such an athlete, coming off a significant victory, would express confidence in even greater achievements.

All of that said  - the tour is a different level and nobody at this moment has an answer to Contador - not even the hog and dopestrong with their antics and attempts at sabotaging AC.

I enjoy Valverde's cycling performances and his style, but I'd rate him as probably 4th or 5th best in next year's tour behind Contador, Schleck Jr., and Dopestrong who will surely have his minions doing tons of work.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Delusional, stupid or clairvoyant? Reply with quote

kathy wrote:
The Lemondheads wrote:
Reuters wrote:
Barred from racing in Italy since May for alleged links to the Operation Puerto anti-doping investigation, Valverde racked up victories this season in the Tour of Catalonia, the Dauphine Libere and the Tour of Burgos before Sunday's success.


How can the links be 'alleged' when CONI have concluded the case and found him guilty?


Because CONI have condemned him without evidence.  That's why the UCI are proscrastinating - they know it won't stand up in court.  They have 'evidence', said to come from a Barcelona lab.  As I understand it, the OP blood bags have never left Madrid.

I am getting fed up with everyone believing what they read on  websites like CN.  I prefer to get my information from the country of origin, not Australia, or whoever owns CN now.  I'm not saying Valverde wasn't involved in OP, but so were a lot of other people.  I don't understand the witchhunt.


If he has nothing to hide then why not put the alleged blood bags from OP up for DNA testing?

He's being protected because he is another Spanish golden boy and no one ever shoots the goose that lays the golden eggs. The Spanish are treating Piti the same way as the UCI has treated Armstrong since 1999.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enchantress wrote:
..., but I'd rate him as probably 4th or 5th best in next year's tour behind Contador, Schleck Jr., and Dopestrong who will surely have his minions doing tons of work.


Oh boy, this gives me the deja vu vision of the "leveled playing field" in the old days!!  Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Delusional, stupid or clairvoyant? Reply with quote

kathy wrote:
Because CONI have condemned him without evidence.  That's why the UCI are proscrastinating - they know it won't stand up in court.  They have 'evidence', said to come from a Barcelona lab.  As I understand it, the OP blood bags have never left Madrid.

I am getting fed up with everyone believing what they read on  websites like CN.  I prefer to get my information from the country of origin, not Australia, or whoever owns CN now.  I'm not saying Valverde wasn't involved in OP, but so were a lot of other people.  I don't understand the witchhunt.


Surely it comes down to a choice of two things.  Either you believe CONI have fabricated evidence that doesn't exist - in which case you have to wonder why?  Or, you believe the Spanish Authorities have done everything they can to put the lid on this.

Not a witchhunt for me, but I find it difficult to see why CONI would make it all up whereas IMO it is clear that the Spanish have had no interest in seeing OP go anywhere.  

There is absolutely no reason why the Spanish Authorities couldn't share the blood analysis with CONI (if CONI really don't have it) - then wewould know for sure.  The fact that they may still pursue Furentes is not a valid reason for not sharing the evidence.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MJM, he doesn't have the bloodbags, so he can't put them up for testing.

Bartali, I do believe there is some bluff on CONI's part.  After all, they got Basso to confess without concrete evidence.  It seems Valverde is made of sterner stuff.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He isn't pushing for them to be tested either. Why not come out, give the DNA test and push for the suspected blood bags to be tested? He gives every impression of a man with a lot to hide.

Sterner stuff - or rather he knows he is protected?

As we said - he might want to race the Giro but that doesn't mean that he will. He's no Lance and his power is limited to Spain.

BTW - what on earth makes you think that the Spanish press is in anyway objective when it comes to reporting on Spanish doping? Come on, be serious.

Good job he isn't Italian, German or French because he'd be on a two year holiday by now if he was.

That said Spain has always been a 'safe haven' for various dodgy characters over the years. Goes to show nothing much changes.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:
Me, a fan? wrote:
I would have to put it into perspective for Piti, the Tour is a harder race.  Just look at third place of the Vuelta, he finished 45 minutes down in the Tour.


But then again Kreuziger was there or there abouts in the Tour , but could only make 61st at 1h 30 mins+ in the Vuelta???


I jokingly took the most extreme spread available and put all my marbles in that basket.  Taking a shot at Valverde and Evans.  Not to be taken too seriously.  I do believe, however, that the best riders are in their best form for the TDF.  The Tour is the King GT.  Ask any rider which one they would rather win.  Gurantee an overwhelming majority would choose the Tour.  Maybe even an Italian or two.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrs John Murphy wrote:

Good job he isn't Italian, German or French because he'd be on a two year holiday by now if he was.


Would have served his time by now. If he were Italian, he would be joining CONI as a "technical Adviser". If he were German, he would be writing his memoirs and riding for Whirlpool.
If he were French he would have been invited to re-open the prison on Devil's Island.
Wink

I don't see Valverde as the scapegoat for OP, Kathy, just as a target to re-dress the balance, as far as the Italians are concerned.
All the OP scapegoats were either Italian or German.
The Spanish riders were blessed with the right nationality.


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