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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:06 pm    Post subject: Bike computers/GPS  Reply with quote

Do you guys use these on your bikes? I'm a bit Old School so can't be having a GPS on the bike. Want something small. Just to be able to know speed distance time.  Anyone got any recommendations? Price not an issue.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cateye wireless speedo for me in major rides. A basic 5 functiton jobbie in conjunction with heart rate monitor.

I used my Garmin Forerunner 405 during training quite a lot, but as it's aimed primarily at running, it has a relatively short battery life, so not good for long training rides. Very useful for measuring height gain during a ride and recording accurate heart rates whilst climbing if you're into that sort of analysis.

Garmin very good for its "Return to start" feature if you get lost, even if you don't use it for anything else. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use both a GPS and computer. I find the GPS measurements to generally be a bit shorter than the actual distance, so I always have my Cateye as a backup. I also started using the GPS more because of the bike rider court issue down in Los Angeles where they were able to show the location of the riders using the data for the court case. So its a bit of a safety issue.

Now the wireless issue is touchy with me. The only wireless I trust is the GPS. Everything else runs into problems now and then. My Cateye wireless on my MTB, just adds additional distance now and then. Its usually because you go by something that caused interference. Clean look, but batteries wear out faster and inconsistent results.

The Cateye (Astrale) wire is always reliable


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't trust wireless, had a bad experience some years ago.  I use a Sigma with pulse and altitude, plus the rest.  It works fine.  Small.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF - next you'll be telling us that you don't trust these new fangled airplanes!!  Trust me ... they are pretty good these days.

Guiness - Cateye strada wireless for me too!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I swapped from cruddy halfords style cheapo cateye to a Garmin Edge 500 and the difference in quality is huge.

The mount is superior to anything i've seen. Even fitting on the stem rather than the handlebars themselves to free up space

The screen is about normal size for cycle computers (first rides i thought it was a bit big, but you get used to it)

There are 45 functions, basically more than anything you could ever need to get data from on a ride, although SRM cranks and power data is not available unless you pay extra

The GPS has worked, even in dense forest around Bratislava. What i was pretty surprised about considering drivers around here are always complaining their GPS drops out all over the city.

All of these are basically only nice-to-haves though. I would go for a medium range cateye that can include heart rate, as well as the usual S-D-T type functionality.

I would never go back though. Wireless is essential. The benefit of not having additional wires in among the brakes make far easier to clean, and looks million times better than wire comps.

The GPS in the Garmin models of course mean you also do not need a magnet providing you don't lose satellite signal... the normal features of the cycling comp are calculated from GPS position rather than magnets in the wheels old school

my 2 cents.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cateye strada wireless for me BUT the older I get the smaller the figures get...  Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gerry12ie wrote:
Cateye strada wireless for me BUT the older I get the smaller the figures get...  Embarassed

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ta to all!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking around for a new bike computer at the moment so it occurred to me that I should have a look in here.

I was going to go with Cateye Strada type set-up but I keep reading complaints about small display. It's a regular complaint, but I was wondering if that's just because of people who are happy are less likely to post saying that they are happy compared to those who want to get something off their chest. I've answered that question looking on here Smile

The alternative I've identified is the Sigma range. They're German so I'm assuming some level of quality, comparable price to Cateye and I've seen one and they look quite legible to me. FF gives them a positive vote. Anybody else using them?

The other common complaint is that the wireless drops out too often (on any brand seemingly), but I don't want wires and I do wonder if people having problems have done things like mount their iPhone on the handlebars. I suppose I'll never know.

Berck, I had ruled out a GPS on the grounds that it was too expensive for what I needed and it would just be a toy, but I hadn't considered the point you made. What happened? Driver claimed a rider came out of a junction suddenly when in fact they had been travelling on the same road as the driver type situation? Probably still a toy for me but the electronic eye witness is a useful + that I hadn't come across before.

what did you go with Guiness?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been running the catseye strada for two years now ... no problems and can see it just fine .... and I've got rubbish eyes.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am interested in new possibilities too.  I am about to order a new computer, doing just what the old one did (altitude climbed, speeds distances, stopwatch etc), but maybe with more features.  I would not mind something that tells me the gradient in real time.  I could buy a little tube of liquid which tilts and you read the gradient.  I am giving my old Sigma, which I dropped once and it got a wee crack in it, to a pal who "refuses to use these gadgets", and who will put it on a stationary bike under cover.  So I will need a new one.  I doubt I can afford or justify a Garmin that tells me everything.   I also don't want to download anything, just write it in a little diary that comes with the December issue of cycle mags here.

In any case, I read advice with anticipation.  Otherwise I will just get a new and maybe cheaper or better Sigma.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:
I've been running the catseye strada for two years now ... no problems and can see it just fine .... and I've got rubbish eyes.


Ta. I went back and checked and I got myself a bit mixed up. I'm looking at the Cateye V3 as it does heart rate for an extra £35ish pounds so that seemed worthwhile. The display is a lot busier whilst the Strada seems about the same as the really cheap Cateye I've got

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the Strada and its reliable but I have to focus on it a bit to see it clearly.  If I could fit that V3 on an extension bar that was level with the edge of the wheel I'm sure I could see it just fine. Wink

I was thinking about a GPS-bobby mainly because my sense of direction on back roads when I am out of the city isn't great, probably because I don't drive and I'm not overly familiar with the routes.  I would rather spend the money (if I had it) on wheels or saddles or something real, but a Garmin or equivalent might prevent me getting lost and the expense of an extra 10 or 20k.  Besides if you read cycling forums here you would think the entire country is made out of Strava segments and I think the computer might end up bossing the bike rather than being a piece of helpful kit.

Would be nice to have an idea of where I am though, sometimes... Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biosphere wrote:

Berck, I had ruled out a GPS on the grounds that it was too expensive for what I needed and it would just be a toy, but I hadn't considered the point you made. What happened? Driver claimed a rider came out of a junction suddenly when in fact they had been travelling on the same road as the driver type situation? Probably still a toy for me but the electronic eye witness is a useful + that I hadn't come across before.


A doctor hit a couple of cyclists in Los Angeles a couple of years ago. Using the cyclists GPSes, they were able to determine the speed of the cyclists before the doctor abruptly stopped in front of the cyclists. The GPSes refuted much of the doctors testimony

I read about this before, but can't find those details anymore. Here is a little bit of background.

FYI: I never use my Garmin Edge 305 for actual mapping. I just record the information. Besides distance, time, etc, it also can record the heart rate and cadence along the whole ride. The newer 500 is lighter and has a larger display too.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got an Edge 500 and I love it. I'm not quite as sad as Mr SR with his love of statistics but I do like the fact it tells me how many calories I've used. I can then pass the time while riding working out how many slices of chocolate cake that is.  Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edge 500 here too... i like that it took 2 minutes to mount to the bike, and through Garmin Connect or Strava there is already a place online to grab any segment statistics from my rides... even while plotting an evening session during a slow afternoon in the office Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I highly advise getting a 500 over a 305. The 305 has a design flaw. Garmin was very good about fixing them, or sending a replacement. I'm on #3. Basically, the unit can turn itself off going over very ruff road. The issue is the connection between the battery and the circuit board. Some people fixed it themselves by replacing the spring connection with real wires.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 500 is the only one I considered. One of the main reasons I think I will go with the simpler computer is I have a GPS in the phone anyway, so if I find myself in a Gerry situation and unsure which turn to take when I'm exploring, I have the back-up. I sometimes use My Tracks (free Android app) to record my route anyway. Tis all very nicely integrated and when I get home it's a simple 2 or 3 button sequence to stop recording and send it to the cloud so it's on the computer for later with no wires involved.

Coincidently while looking at bike porn earlier, I saw Voeckler uses the wireless Sigma I'm considering, but he's wired up at least the speed sensor (an available back up option)



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garmin Edge 500 here, too, with a built in speed and cadence sensor in the left chainstay of the bike, and a Powertap power meter hub built into a Mavic rear wheel.  Love it.


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