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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:26 am    Post subject: 2016 Season  Reply with quote

I'll stick this here even if it's maybe as home in the transfer thread, but as a pretence to kick off the 2016 thread, the class of 2015 will do fine.

http://espoirscentral.blogspot.ch...-pro-2016-world-tour-lowdown.html
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They announced the 18 WT teams.

   Ag2r La Mondiale
   Astana Pro Team
   BMC Racing Team
   Cannondale Pro Cycling Team
   Dimension Data
   Etixx-QuickStep
   FDJ
   IAM Cycling
   Lampre-Merida
   Lotto Soudal
   Movistar Team
   Orica-GreenEdge
   Team Giant-Alpecin
   Team Katusha
   Team Lotto NL-Jumbo
   Team Sky
   Tinkoff
   Trek Factory Racing

More information, along with ProConti teams found here
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Berck
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was announced last week but didn't seem to make much of a splash. Seems to have been signed off at a meeting here in Basel on Friday. Part of me will not be surprised to see a race deciding botched change or two next year, but the other part of me wonders how many of the wheelsets the Pro Teams are using will actually have a disc version ready for next year?

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/11...eams-can-use-disc-brakes-in-2016/
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The person who runs my local shop, is a big fan of disc brakes. Every time I  have been in recent, he tries to sell me a bike with disc brakes.

Although the last time I was in, I did buy one with the disc brakes

My previous bike had been fully depreciated for two years Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Part of me will not be surprised to see a race deciding botched change or two next year...


Back wheels with disc brakes are a bit of a b*gger. Or at least the one on my hybrid is! You need to get the wheel lined up exactly right otherwise the disc just won't go into the braking mechanism. You can't put the wheel in all wonky and then line it afterwards like you can with a normal braking system. Not easy working against the spring in the derailleur when the heart is pounding. (Plus if you get it wrong, you scratch the paint!)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The person who runs my local shop, is a big fan of disc brakes.


I'll bet!

The proprietor of our LBS is a big fan of disc brakes, titanium bikes, power meters, virtual reality turbos etc. He does good "mates' rates" on more mundane items such as tyres and tubes though so I just ignore his blatant marketing efforts. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marketing marketing marketing .... a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marketing marketing marketing .... a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

6th December 15
The last question about Fabio Aru’s race schedule has been answered. Today La Gazzetta dello Sport reports that the Italian will ride Paris-Nice and skip Tirreno-Adriatico.
Aru’s race schedule for the first half of the season is now fully known. He will start at the Volta a la Communidad Valenciana and then ride the Volta ao Algarve, Paris - Nice, the Tour of the Basque Country and the Ardennes Classics before taking a break and going to altitude to prepare for the Tour.

Vinokourov, 29 November 15
“It’s already decided. We’ll talk more during the training camp in Calpe but things are clear: Vincenzo will be for the Giro and Aru for the Tour".
"I think Vincenzo could also ride the Tour. I think Fabio’s got to ride the Tour to see how good he is and how far he can go. We’ll decide our final strategy after the Giro. It depends if he [Nibali] wins it. But for now it’s Vincenzo for the Giro and Fabio for the Tour. For now things are clear but of course they could change during the race.”
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rider schedules for 2016:-

http://caferoubaix.com/2015/11/12/riders-schedule-in-the-2016-season/
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Uncle Oleg says next year is his last. I never really understood his logic - you don't go bending race organisers to your will by buying a team. Riis and Saxo back in 2017?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/e...-leave-cycling-after-2016-season/
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Uncle Oleg says next year is his last. I never really understood his logic - you don't go bending race organisers to your will by buying a team. Riis and Saxo back in 2017?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/e...-leave-cycling-after-2016-season/


Interesting comments he makes about why and the comments on trying to change things within the sport.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rider schedules for 2016:-

http://caferoubaix.com/2015/11/12/riders-schedule-in-the-2016-season/


Oh I see they only have three races for Adam Hansen down Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

berck wrote:
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Uncle Oleg says next year is his last. I never really understood his logic - you don't go bending race organisers to your will by buying a team. Riis and Saxo back in 2017?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/e...-leave-cycling-after-2016-season/


Interesting comments he makes about why and the comments on trying to change things within the sport.


I really disluke the television rights argument

And so does this http://inrng.com/2014/01/problem-revenue-sharing/

It reminds me of the south park episode where Canada goes on strike to get some of the internet mobey .

Outside of the tour de France and giro, there isn't a lot of TV viewing money, some races actually paying the TV people to broadcast their races .

Cycling is also more expensive sport to broadcast compared to other sports.

Other sports also do a whole lot better in terms of merchandising (I am sore those that cycle here come across other cyclists in team kits of sponsors who left the sport in the 1990s. Wait when did banesto leave?)

And then other sports can charge admission which cycling can't (and shouldn't)

These are the difficulties with the income sharing idea that I can see

There is only one way for teams to get a lot of money through TV money, and it is not TV rights, its sponsorship by a TV company

Or could try one of those annoying payday lenders that advertise on Eurosport during the day by their interest rates are 1234567890% so unfeasible
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Uncle Oleg says next year is his last. I never really understood his logic - you don't go bending race organisers to your will by buying a team. Riis and Saxo back in 2017?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/e...-leave-cycling-after-2016-season/


Interesting comments he makes about why and the comments on trying to change things within the sport.


But would you want to work with him on trying to change things? To me he comes across as volatile and unpredictable and likely to change his mind on a whim. Not the type of person one would ever embark on a strategic venture with.

And that's before you consider that there is not so much money in cycling anyway - the revenue streams he wants access to are not really there? Nolte's link examines ASO's cash flow and it's not really going to revolutionise the sport if it's opened up.

I think it just comes down to the super smart business man finally realising after many years that cycling is a sponsorship and brand promotion expense rather than an income stream in its own right . . .

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. . .  my marketing people tell me that we’ve reached all the investors we can via cycling and sports sponsorship. We’ve decided we have to switch our advertising budget to direct TV advertising in 2017.


I presume from 2017 he will be complaining that he is buying regular TV slots, but the TV companies are unwilling to embrace change and share their revenues with him Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biosphere wrote:
Uncle Oleg says next year is his last. I never really understood his logic - you don't go bending race organisers to your will by buying a team. Riis and Saxo back in 2017?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/e...-leave-cycling-after-2016-season/


I've heard a rumour that this will be the collaboration between Fernando Alonso and Alberto Contador... no confirmations or anything yet but that this may be on the cards
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Slapshot 3 wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
Uncle Oleg says next year is his last. I never really understood his logic - you don't go bending race organisers to your will by buying a team. Riis and Saxo back in 2017?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/e...-leave-cycling-after-2016-season/


I've heard a rumour that this will be the collaboration between Fernando Alonso and Alberto Contador... no confirmations or anything yet but that this may be on the cards



Could explain the Sagan signature too, signing up a 4-year contract, he would need to have been informed about Alonso's involvement.. initially there were rumours before start of last season that he would go to Alono's superteam.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But would you want to work with him on trying to change things? To me he comes across as volatile and unpredictable and likely to change his mind on a whim. Not the type of person one would ever embark on a strategic venture with.


No I wouldn't. I agree with your evaluation of him. I thought basically the same, but the comments are still interesting to read. "I'm trying to change things, but nobody wants to change"....

Biosphere wrote:

And that's before you consider that there is not so much money in cycling anyway - the revenue streams he wants access to are not really there? Nolte's link examines ASO's cash flow and it's not really going to revolutionise the sport if it's opened up.

I think it just comes down to the super smart business man finally realising after many years that cycling is a sponsorship and brand promotion expense rather than an income stream in its own right . . .


Agreed. It needs to be looked at as an advertising mechanism. Much like it is with car racing (especially NASCAR here).

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. . .  my marketing people tell me that we’ve reached all the investors we can via cycling and sports sponsorship. We’ve decided we have to switch our advertising budget to direct TV advertising in 2017.


I presume from 2017 he will be complaining that he is buying regular TV slots, but the TV companies are unwilling to embrace change and share their revenues with him Wink


Probably so. Very Happy. Funny thing, is that they'll spend much more advertising in TV slots than the cost of running a team. Heck the NFL Super Bowl ads are expected to be a cool $5 Million for 30 seconds coming up soon.... Super Bowl 50 Ads Hit Record Price
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I think it is quite well known and undisputed that cycling is a cheap and effective means of advertising, but useless in terms of making money, with one or two exceptions (ASO, for example), certainly not teams themselves.

Who would even want to KNOW Tinkoff?


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